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great to see free market competition stimulating this innovation. More foundry's we have in the world, the less dependent we all might be on single supplier - s

great to see free market competition stimulating this innovation. More foundry's we have in the world, the less dependent we all might be on single supplier - should make the world a better and safer place

oblio 4y ago
Both Samsung and TSMC are getting tons of subsidies from Taiwan, Japan, the US, etc., in order to keep or build factories in the respective countries. More like "free market competition with state intervention". Speaking of which, Europe needs to get moving. Europe badly needs local factories and ideally local companies building advanced chips.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  We have local name fabs in Europe but they are not this cutting edge. Yeah, Europe will again fall behind in tech, especially sine we're currently busy withering a war on our borders, rampant inflation, and an energy crysis. We have some local companies that are suppliers to the semi industry like Zeiss, Asml, Trumpf.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    Intel has already begun constructing a massive fab in East Germany, so (at least assuming Intel doesn't fall into yet another dud) there will be a cutting-edge chip production in Europe again.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
      I think this counts too: https://www.intel.ie/content/www/ie/en/company-overview/intel-in-ireland.html https://www.intel.ie/content/www/ie/en/company-overview/inte...
      - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        Don't think that's one of Intel's cutting edge fabs.
        LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
        > Investing in the Future Intel is investing €17 billion in a new fab development at its Leixlip campus. With this new fab we double the manufacturing capacity available in Ireland and enable the production of Intel 4, the company’s most advanced process technology.
- hunglee2 4y ago
  yes quite correct, fabs probably cannot be built without 'cheating the rules'. I'm sure the US would be happy to waive this one by though, I think free market is rhetorical at this stage, even for the most conspicuous advocate of it
- drexlspivey 4y ago
  Intel announced a massive new fab in Germany that will come online in 2027. They will receive around €7b in subsidies for it
- biggieshellz 4y ago
  Intel is going to be doing production of their Intel 4 process at a fab in Ireland: see https://www.hardwaretimes.com/intel-installs-euv-system-in-ireland-to-improve-4nm-chip-production/ https://www.hardwaretimes.com/intel-installs-euv-system-in-i....
- Jistern 4y ago
- ncmncm 4y ago
  Yes, there is no free market in cutting edge chips. Probably the US would be substantially less interested in defending Taiwan if TSMC was not there.

oblio 4y ago

Both Samsung and TSMC are getting tons of subsidies from Taiwan, Japan, the US, etc., in order to keep or build factories in the respective countries. More like "free market competition with state intervention". Speaking of which, Europe needs to get moving. Europe badly needs local factories and ideally local companies building advanced chips.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
We have local name fabs in Europe but they are not this cutting edge. Yeah, Europe will again fall behind in tech, especially sine we're currently busy withering a war on our borders, rampant inflation, and an energy crysis. We have some local companies that are suppliers to the semi industry like Zeiss, Asml, Trumpf.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  Intel has already begun constructing a massive fab in East Germany, so (at least assuming Intel doesn't fall into yet another dud) there will be a cutting-edge chip production in Europe again.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
    I think this counts too: https://www.intel.ie/content/www/ie/en/company-overview/intel-in-ireland.html https://www.intel.ie/content/www/ie/en/company-overview/inte...
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      Don't think that's one of Intel's cutting edge fabs.
      - LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
        > Investing in the Future Intel is investing €17 billion in a new fab development at its Leixlip campus. With this new fab we double the manufacturing capacity available in Ireland and enable the production of Intel 4, the company’s most advanced process technology.
hunglee2 4y ago
yes quite correct, fabs probably cannot be built without 'cheating the rules'. I'm sure the US would be happy to waive this one by though, I think free market is rhetorical at this stage, even for the most conspicuous advocate of it
drexlspivey 4y ago
Intel announced a massive new fab in Germany that will come online in 2027. They will receive around €7b in subsidies for it
biggieshellz 4y ago
Intel is going to be doing production of their Intel 4 process at a fab in Ireland: see https://www.hardwaretimes.com/intel-installs-euv-system-in-ireland-to-improve-4nm-chip-production/ https://www.hardwaretimes.com/intel-installs-euv-system-in-i....
Jistern 4y ago
ncmncm 4y ago
Yes, there is no free market in cutting edge chips. Probably the US would be substantially less interested in defending Taiwan if TSMC was not there.