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I don't doubt this works, but I'd rather do e.g. keto where I can eat delicious meals and still feel fully satiated.

Smaug123 4y ago
Good for you! Keto doesn't work like that for me. We need many different diets that work for some people, because no diet works for everyone.
- anonytrary 4y ago
  I assume it depends on your gut microbiome and physical habits.
  - kuhewa 4y ago
    Or just preference. I just would be bored and unsatisfied on a real keto diet, I'd rather fast or die an extremely low cal diet on raw veggies.
- fredsted 4y ago
  I agree, keto is probably uniquely suited for my lifestyle and tastes. YMMV as they say.
MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
I did this for a year. Its not sustainable, you'll loose muscle mass. I eat potatoes daily now, but not exclusively - complex carbs are harder to burn, so they are fattening, so I have gained some weight. Maybe I'll eliminate the rice and see how that goes. I'd recommend against olive oil and for coconut oil, frying potatoes needs a lot of heat. Add parsley, bacon, caraway, onions and serve with pickled white cabbage. Good & simple!
- gjs278 4y ago
- molszanski 4y ago
  Interesting. I am one year on mostly keto and lost all excessive fat and gained a lot (!) of muscle. And I seem to be burning fat and gain muscle at the same time. One thing to note, I am not sure why would you suggest to remove olive oil. All the research (I’ve seen) suggests that olive oil is really good for humans
  - kuhewa 4y ago
    Did you start sedentary and with a bit of extra weight? It would make sense if you started strength training at the same time and benefited from 'noob gains' Also the other fellow might be referencing EVOO's low smoke point, it's true there isn't much point using it for high heat cooking.
    - molszanski 4y ago
      I am 175cm. Went from 80 kg to 66 in 6 months or less. Then I plateaued and was around 67kg. Still had excessive fat tissue, but not a lot. Was sedentary, couldn't even do 1 pull around March 15. No I am ~70kg, with less fat tissue and doing 5/5/5 pull ups with 5KG added. So def. noob gains. But I also see that fat tissue is burning (slowly but surely) and muscles are growing. Lifting, no cardio or HIIT. Yeah, I meant EVOO in general. Great for salads, maybe not so much for frying :)
    - mathieuh 4y ago
      My sport is cycling, when I started on keto my power metrics jumped up, from an FTP of about 220 W in August 2021 to currently 276 W, where it's plateaued for the last few months. My legs are also visibly much bigger and harder. I get the feeling that it is possible to gain muscle on keto, it's just being low-carb doesn't lend itself to high-intensity efforts, so at some point you just can't put out enough effort to damage your muscles any further. I've recently starting eating carbs on days where I'm doing 80+ km and the difference is astonishing, I've set PRs up hills at the end of 100 km rides and I'm approaching being able to do 100 km solo at 32 km/h, where before on strict keto I'd start getting very lethargic after just 50 km.
      - 4y ago
- kuhewa 4y ago
  > complex carbs are harder to burn, so they are fattening, so I have gained some weight. That isn't how it works. A calorie of complex carbs is the same energy as a calorie worth of glucose.
- fredsted 4y ago
  > Its not sustainable, you'll loose muscle mass. It worked well for me, my endurance in e.g. cycling improved. However usually stay on it about half a year to lose extra weight and then go back to a "regular" diet.
Tabular-Iceberg 4y ago
Can keto meals really be described as "delicious"? I mean, I love the taste of butter, cream, marbled steaks and pork fat, but when you have to consume whipping cream as a beverage it sounds absolutely nauseating.
- amanaplanacanal 4y ago
  You could drink water instead.
  - Tabular-Iceberg 4y ago
    Sure, but then the same fat has to be consumed in solid form instead. When kids are put on the diet for epilepsy they make them chug cream and mayonnaise, not exactly my idea of a delicious meal: https://www.epilepsy.com/treatment/dietary-therapies/ketogenic-diet#What-is-it-like https://www.epilepsy.com/treatment/dietary-therapies/ketogen...?
- fredsted 4y ago
  I didn't consume whipping cream except when making sauces.
- xtracto 4y ago
  Keto meals CAN be amazingly delicious, but at the same time extremely unhealthy. Here in Mexico we have a large number of keto friendly recipes, but the amount of saturated fats in them guarantee a heart attack. - carnitas - barbacoa - birria - queso fundido - taquiqueso Among many others
  - Tabular-Iceberg 4y ago
    I eat and enjoy quite a lot of Mexican food and all of it has way too much protein and carbs to put you in ketosis. We’re talking about getting 90% of all calories from fat here, I seriously doubt many if any Mexican recipes at all are that fatty.

Good for you! Keto doesn't work like that for me. We need many different diets that work for some people, because no diet works for everyone.

anonytrary 4y ago
I assume it depends on your gut microbiome and physical habits.
- kuhewa 4y ago
  Or just preference. I just would be bored and unsatisfied on a real keto diet, I'd rather fast or die an extremely low cal diet on raw veggies.
fredsted 4y ago
I agree, keto is probably uniquely suited for my lifestyle and tastes. YMMV as they say.

MrBuddyCasino 4y ago

I did this for a year. Its not sustainable, you'll loose muscle mass. I eat potatoes daily now, but not exclusively - complex carbs are harder to burn, so they are fattening, so I have gained some weight. Maybe I'll eliminate the rice and see how that goes. I'd recommend against olive oil and for coconut oil, frying potatoes needs a lot of heat. Add parsley, bacon, caraway, onions and serve with pickled white cabbage. Good & simple!

gjs278 4y ago
molszanski 4y ago
Interesting. I am one year on mostly keto and lost all excessive fat and gained a lot (!) of muscle. And I seem to be burning fat and gain muscle at the same time. One thing to note, I am not sure why would you suggest to remove olive oil. All the research (I’ve seen) suggests that olive oil is really good for humans
- kuhewa 4y ago
  Did you start sedentary and with a bit of extra weight? It would make sense if you started strength training at the same time and benefited from 'noob gains' Also the other fellow might be referencing EVOO's low smoke point, it's true there isn't much point using it for high heat cooking.
  - molszanski 4y ago
    I am 175cm. Went from 80 kg to 66 in 6 months or less. Then I plateaued and was around 67kg. Still had excessive fat tissue, but not a lot. Was sedentary, couldn't even do 1 pull around March 15. No I am ~70kg, with less fat tissue and doing 5/5/5 pull ups with 5KG added. So def. noob gains. But I also see that fat tissue is burning (slowly but surely) and muscles are growing. Lifting, no cardio or HIIT. Yeah, I meant EVOO in general. Great for salads, maybe not so much for frying :)
  - mathieuh 4y ago
    My sport is cycling, when I started on keto my power metrics jumped up, from an FTP of about 220 W in August 2021 to currently 276 W, where it's plateaued for the last few months. My legs are also visibly much bigger and harder. I get the feeling that it is possible to gain muscle on keto, it's just being low-carb doesn't lend itself to high-intensity efforts, so at some point you just can't put out enough effort to damage your muscles any further. I've recently starting eating carbs on days where I'm doing 80+ km and the difference is astonishing, I've set PRs up hills at the end of 100 km rides and I'm approaching being able to do 100 km solo at 32 km/h, where before on strict keto I'd start getting very lethargic after just 50 km.
    - 4y ago
kuhewa 4y ago
> complex carbs are harder to burn, so they are fattening, so I have gained some weight. That isn't how it works. A calorie of complex carbs is the same energy as a calorie worth of glucose.
fredsted 4y ago
> Its not sustainable, you'll loose muscle mass. It worked well for me, my endurance in e.g. cycling improved. However usually stay on it about half a year to lose extra weight and then go back to a "regular" diet.

Tabular-Iceberg 4y ago

Can keto meals really be described as "delicious"? I mean, I love the taste of butter, cream, marbled steaks and pork fat, but when you have to consume whipping cream as a beverage it sounds absolutely nauseating.

amanaplanacanal 4y ago
You could drink water instead.
- Tabular-Iceberg 4y ago
  Sure, but then the same fat has to be consumed in solid form instead. When kids are put on the diet for epilepsy they make them chug cream and mayonnaise, not exactly my idea of a delicious meal: https://www.epilepsy.com/treatment/dietary-therapies/ketogenic-diet#What-is-it-like https://www.epilepsy.com/treatment/dietary-therapies/ketogen...?
fredsted 4y ago
I didn't consume whipping cream except when making sauces.
xtracto 4y ago
Keto meals CAN be amazingly delicious, but at the same time extremely unhealthy. Here in Mexico we have a large number of keto friendly recipes, but the amount of saturated fats in them guarantee a heart attack. - carnitas - barbacoa - birria - queso fundido - taquiqueso Among many others
- Tabular-Iceberg 4y ago
  I eat and enjoy quite a lot of Mexican food and all of it has way too much protein and carbs to put you in ketosis. We’re talking about getting 90% of all calories from fat here, I seriously doubt many if any Mexican recipes at all are that fatty.