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Please no. They have too much info on everyone already

systemvoltage 4y ago
Step 1) Allow Gov to build up regulations so complex that it requires a force of nature to over come. Step 2) Big Tech builds technology around those regulations and sells it to people. Step 3) Viola! we have a giant massive ocean-like moat that surrounds the Big Gov + Big Tech castle. Never to be breached by the likes of Silicon Valley startups or otherwise. We are already in a dystopian time.
- tchvil 4y ago
  I see it frequently here... I suppose it comes from French. Viola means rape(il la viola) or break the law(il viola la loi). The real one is voilà! And dropping the accent, is apparently acceptable in English. Voila! ;)
  - jholman 4y ago
    Because we're writing in English, "viola" is neither rape nor lawbreaking, though "violate" can mean either of those. In English, "viola" is the name of a stringed instrument. Voila, behold a viola! One fourth of a string quartet! But if you're irked by "viola", it could be worse, they could have written "wallah", which is all too frequent.
    - samarthr1 4y ago
      And in Hindi, Wallah means 'person'. Generally used in conjunction with their business. For example, a sweet shop owner is called a Mithai Wallah.
      - bombcar 4y ago
        Violà! A wallah in Walla Walla with a wall a' wallabies! https://wallawalla.org https://wallawalla.org
    - jfk13 4y ago
      > In English, "viola" is the name of a stringed instrument. Or a flower.
    - jcranberry 4y ago
      Contextually the person is obviously trying to use the french borrow word voilà.
  - kwonkicker 4y ago
    I laughed hard at this revelation
  - afiori 4y ago
    > il Are you mixing French and Italian articles? As an addendum wiktionary[0] is always useful when searching other meanings of a word [0]https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/viola https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/viola
    - Contexti 4y ago
      il is a pronoun[0] in French. I haven't learned French since high school, but here's how I would translate the examples: il la viola "He raped her" il viola la loi "He broke the law" [0](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/il#French https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/il#French)
      - afiori 4y ago
        oh, I did not know, but I studied about 6 hours of French in my life, so it is not surprising.
- Proven 4y ago
glglwty 4y ago
Which is exactly why they might be able to make healthcare cheaper.
- antisthenes 4y ago
  There are already at least 2 better methods of making health care cheaper. Price controls and disconnecting it from employment.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  Healthcare is not expensive for lack of huge government-entangled corporations monopolizing and commercializing patient personal information. At least not in USA, where healthcare legislation is written by and for the industry (e.g., https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamacare-fowler-lobbyist-industry1 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamac...), and total healthcare expenditure is somewhere around double that of most other first world countries with more universal healthcare systems, for worse outcomes in many objective measures (at least of overall social health, I realize the standard of care in America is probably second to none if you can pay for it).
  - Gehlitio 4y ago
    There are still plenty of expensive threatments like cancer were the diagnosis is also costly just due to the tech used. A proper MRI is expensive, the analysis is slow and need experts etc. There are plenty of things to optimize. And when we are done with us, it has to reach the next level to become so cheap and easy to use that everyone on our planet has access to it.
    - throwawaylinux 4y ago
      > There are still plenty of expensive threatments like cancer were the diagnosis is also costly just due to the tech used. > A proper MRI is expensive, the analysis is slow and need experts etc. I'm sure that's very true. A company that's struggles to keep a rudimentary chat app running for any length of time, spectacularly miscalculated its fiber project, to name a few obvious ones, does not instill any confidence that they would be the one to improve this. The medical industry is far more conservative and far more complicated than what Google has proven it is able to deal with IMO. You can't just move fast and break things, you can make shit up as you go along, you can't invent your own standards. > There are plenty of things to optimize. They've also not performed impressively on any kind of "AI" related thing, if that's what they're thinking. Their self-driving cars are still a curiosity and a long way off being revenue positive, if there is even a path to it, for example. Industry and legislative inertia and baggage aside, I don't even think a big old cumbersome dinosaur like Google has the chops to come in and make a big change. Put it this way if some revolutionary new startup company had a really great idea in healthcare, you would be disappointed if Google bought them.
Gehlitio 4y ago
Do you life with something chronic? Something were not a lot of people are doing research and we're there was no real discovery in the last 20 years? Because I do and you know how scattered the field of medicine is? There is one realistic way of getting more people with chronic issues new threatments and it's data. Lots and lots of it. IF someone can pull that of while protecting the individuals I believe it's alphabet. Together with deep mind and all the other research they do.
- lamontcg 4y ago
  I'd expect that Google would be more likely to sell your data on your chronic condition and make you unemployable and uninsurable. They are highly unlikely to worry about protecting individuals.
- nicolapede 4y ago
  > IF someone can pull that of while protecting the individuals I believe it's alphabet. Together with deep mind and all the other research they do. What makes you think they will protect the "individuals"? From a privacy persepctive, I would say they have no clear incentive in doing that, given individuals are the product they sell to companies that need to push ads into society.
  - Gehlitio 4y ago
    Checkout their last Google Io. They know how they make their money and don't hide it. But they make you as an individual disappear. It's a much better compromise than from any other company and they drive this topic for years.
    - cupofpython 4y ago
      you dont disappear. you become embedded. they are metaphorically assigning you a number and stripping you of an identity. It is dehumanizing. At the end of the day, it's just you by a different name. Instead of owning it and claiming "we have this information on Gehlitio" they say things like "We have these generalizations about anybody who happens to use HN, speaks in English, bought X Y and Z, subscribes to A, <insert 100 more details that effectively fingerprint you>"
verisimi 4y ago
Lol. 100% this ^^ A merger of technology privacy invading, ai-guiding, rip off processes AND the ability to direct your health for profit. With government lobbyists in both pockets. What could go right?!?

Step 1) Allow Gov to build up regulations so complex that it requires a force of nature to over come. Step 2) Big Tech builds technology around those regulations and sells it to people. Step 3) Viola! we have a giant massive ocean-like moat that surrounds the Big Gov + Big Tech castle. Never to be breached by the likes of Silicon Valley startups or otherwise. We are already in a dystopian time.

tchvil 4y ago
I see it frequently here... I suppose it comes from French. Viola means rape(il la viola) or break the law(il viola la loi). The real one is voilà! And dropping the accent, is apparently acceptable in English. Voila! ;)
- jholman 4y ago
  Because we're writing in English, "viola" is neither rape nor lawbreaking, though "violate" can mean either of those. In English, "viola" is the name of a stringed instrument. Voila, behold a viola! One fourth of a string quartet! But if you're irked by "viola", it could be worse, they could have written "wallah", which is all too frequent.
  - samarthr1 4y ago
    And in Hindi, Wallah means 'person'. Generally used in conjunction with their business. For example, a sweet shop owner is called a Mithai Wallah.
    - bombcar 4y ago
      Violà! A wallah in Walla Walla with a wall a' wallabies! https://wallawalla.org https://wallawalla.org
  - jfk13 4y ago
    > In English, "viola" is the name of a stringed instrument. Or a flower.
  - jcranberry 4y ago
    Contextually the person is obviously trying to use the french borrow word voilà.
- kwonkicker 4y ago
  I laughed hard at this revelation
- afiori 4y ago
  > il Are you mixing French and Italian articles? As an addendum wiktionary[0] is always useful when searching other meanings of a word [0]https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/viola https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/viola
  - Contexti 4y ago
    il is a pronoun[0] in French. I haven't learned French since high school, but here's how I would translate the examples: il la viola "He raped her" il viola la loi "He broke the law" [0](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/il#French https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/il#French)
    - afiori 4y ago
      oh, I did not know, but I studied about 6 hours of French in my life, so it is not surprising.
Proven 4y ago

glglwty 4y ago

Which is exactly why they might be able to make healthcare cheaper.

antisthenes 4y ago
There are already at least 2 better methods of making health care cheaper. Price controls and disconnecting it from employment.
throwawaylinux 4y ago
Healthcare is not expensive for lack of huge government-entangled corporations monopolizing and commercializing patient personal information. At least not in USA, where healthcare legislation is written by and for the industry (e.g., https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamacare-fowler-lobbyist-industry1 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamac...), and total healthcare expenditure is somewhere around double that of most other first world countries with more universal healthcare systems, for worse outcomes in many objective measures (at least of overall social health, I realize the standard of care in America is probably second to none if you can pay for it).
- Gehlitio 4y ago
  There are still plenty of expensive threatments like cancer were the diagnosis is also costly just due to the tech used. A proper MRI is expensive, the analysis is slow and need experts etc. There are plenty of things to optimize. And when we are done with us, it has to reach the next level to become so cheap and easy to use that everyone on our planet has access to it.
  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
    > There are still plenty of expensive threatments like cancer were the diagnosis is also costly just due to the tech used. > A proper MRI is expensive, the analysis is slow and need experts etc. I'm sure that's very true. A company that's struggles to keep a rudimentary chat app running for any length of time, spectacularly miscalculated its fiber project, to name a few obvious ones, does not instill any confidence that they would be the one to improve this. The medical industry is far more conservative and far more complicated than what Google has proven it is able to deal with IMO. You can't just move fast and break things, you can make shit up as you go along, you can't invent your own standards. > There are plenty of things to optimize. They've also not performed impressively on any kind of "AI" related thing, if that's what they're thinking. Their self-driving cars are still a curiosity and a long way off being revenue positive, if there is even a path to it, for example. Industry and legislative inertia and baggage aside, I don't even think a big old cumbersome dinosaur like Google has the chops to come in and make a big change. Put it this way if some revolutionary new startup company had a really great idea in healthcare, you would be disappointed if Google bought them.

Gehlitio 4y ago

Do you life with something chronic? Something were not a lot of people are doing research and we're there was no real discovery in the last 20 years? Because I do and you know how scattered the field of medicine is? There is one realistic way of getting more people with chronic issues new threatments and it's data. Lots and lots of it. IF someone can pull that of while protecting the individuals I believe it's alphabet. Together with deep mind and all the other research they do.

lamontcg 4y ago
I'd expect that Google would be more likely to sell your data on your chronic condition and make you unemployable and uninsurable. They are highly unlikely to worry about protecting individuals.
nicolapede 4y ago
> IF someone can pull that of while protecting the individuals I believe it's alphabet. Together with deep mind and all the other research they do. What makes you think they will protect the "individuals"? From a privacy persepctive, I would say they have no clear incentive in doing that, given individuals are the product they sell to companies that need to push ads into society.
- Gehlitio 4y ago
  Checkout their last Google Io. They know how they make their money and don't hide it. But they make you as an individual disappear. It's a much better compromise than from any other company and they drive this topic for years.
  - cupofpython 4y ago
    you dont disappear. you become embedded. they are metaphorically assigning you a number and stripping you of an identity. It is dehumanizing. At the end of the day, it's just you by a different name. Instead of owning it and claiming "we have this information on Gehlitio" they say things like "We have these generalizations about anybody who happens to use HN, speaks in English, bought X Y and Z, subscribes to A, <insert 100 more details that effectively fingerprint you>"

verisimi 4y ago

Lol. 100% this ^^ A merger of technology privacy invading, ai-guiding, rip off processes AND the ability to direct your health for profit. With government lobbyists in both pockets. What could go right?!?