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>everything else on the list has essentially nothing to do with Wikipedia I would say that engineer/product/analytics salaries are part of the cost of running

>everything else on the list has essentially nothing to do with Wikipedia I would say that engineer/product/analytics salaries are part of the cost of running and updating a webpage. Then you have HR which is needed to support those employees and Legal which is especially needed given the high risk nature of Wikipedia. Good luck keeping Wikipedia up in a useful manner without those people. edit: Then you need Finance to help handle the costs responsibly. Then you need Fundraising to help raise the money needed to pay for all that. Then you generally want some Marketing/Branding/Communications to help with the whole talking to external humans part.

ipaddr 4y ago
Wikipedia could run with the company the size of craigslist but with all of the additional cash they choose to add layers of bloat without providing similiar value.
onphonenow 4y ago
I'm curious if sites like the pirate bay are "high risk". If so, did it take $100M / year to keep them up with legal and HR teams etc? These claims are often made, but I'm not sure they check out. Plenty of much much more controversial stuff stays online / is available. But supposedly wikipedia will be destroyed without these experts.
- bobthepanda 4y ago
  The Pirate Bay spent years hopping from legal jurisdiction to legal jurisdiction because of all the suits and enforcement against them. Wikipedia doesn't, and also probably doesn't have any interest in pursuing any sort of expensive jurisdiction-hopping strategy that would also throw all of its employees and work into jeopardy.
- marcinzm 4y ago
  Pirate Bay is banned in many countries, was raided by the police multiple times, had its founders literally put into jail, had its domains seized, is blocked by Facebook, can't get donations outside of crypto, etc. It's a pretty good example of why you need legal teams for any sort of sustainable effort.
  - jlarocco 4y ago
    But, despite all of that, they were online for years with a budget that was a fraction of $100 million. And they were hosting content that was blatantly illegal in many countries, while Wikipedia really isn't.
    - wincy 4y ago
      I mean Piratebay is up right now. At least, if not literally, in spirit. I can get torrent magnet links off a site that looks exactly like the same Piratebay and probably not get a virus.
    - nix23 4y ago
      >And they were hosting content that was blatantly illegal in many countries, PirateBay never hosted content, and that's the problem. It's like sue yellow-pages, because they listed a drug-dealer. And what do you mean with illegal?
- bawolff 4y ago
  Pirate bay is a much smaller scale than wikipedia. Their approach to legal is to basically just get arrested, which is an interesting approach.
AndyMcConachie 4y ago
You're applying corporate thinking to this. Wikimedia Foundation doesn't need marketing or branding people, it really doesn't. Communications people I can understand because there will be journalists and others that need to be communicated to. But they don't need a marketing strategy nor do they need marketing collateral.

ipaddr 4y ago

Wikipedia could run with the company the size of craigslist but with all of the additional cash they choose to add layers of bloat without providing similiar value.

onphonenow 4y ago

I'm curious if sites like the pirate bay are "high risk". If so, did it take $100M / year to keep them up with legal and HR teams etc? These claims are often made, but I'm not sure they check out. Plenty of much much more controversial stuff stays online / is available. But supposedly wikipedia will be destroyed without these experts.

bobthepanda 4y ago
The Pirate Bay spent years hopping from legal jurisdiction to legal jurisdiction because of all the suits and enforcement against them. Wikipedia doesn't, and also probably doesn't have any interest in pursuing any sort of expensive jurisdiction-hopping strategy that would also throw all of its employees and work into jeopardy.
marcinzm 4y ago
Pirate Bay is banned in many countries, was raided by the police multiple times, had its founders literally put into jail, had its domains seized, is blocked by Facebook, can't get donations outside of crypto, etc. It's a pretty good example of why you need legal teams for any sort of sustainable effort.
- jlarocco 4y ago
  But, despite all of that, they were online for years with a budget that was a fraction of $100 million. And they were hosting content that was blatantly illegal in many countries, while Wikipedia really isn't.
  - wincy 4y ago
    I mean Piratebay is up right now. At least, if not literally, in spirit. I can get torrent magnet links off a site that looks exactly like the same Piratebay and probably not get a virus.
  - nix23 4y ago
    >And they were hosting content that was blatantly illegal in many countries, PirateBay never hosted content, and that's the problem. It's like sue yellow-pages, because they listed a drug-dealer. And what do you mean with illegal?
bawolff 4y ago
Pirate bay is a much smaller scale than wikipedia. Their approach to legal is to basically just get arrested, which is an interesting approach.

AndyMcConachie 4y ago

You're applying corporate thinking to this. Wikimedia Foundation doesn't need marketing or branding people, it really doesn't. Communications people I can understand because there will be journalists and others that need to be communicated to. But they don't need a marketing strategy nor do they need marketing collateral.