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It's because people in their 20s are living with their parents and don't want to have sex in the park. When I was younger I wanted it badly enough that I did s

by usrn 4y ago

It's because people in their 20s are living with their parents and don't want to have sex in the park. When I was younger I wanted it badly enough that I did stupid things like that but I can understand why people like me are in a tiny minority.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
That, and most are still holding people in their 20s to the same standards as generations able to start a family with the credentials of Homer Simpson.
- usrn 4y ago
  "People" meaning banks really. The games with credit are effectively driving the housing shortage by making buying the small number of already built homes effectively more affordable than building new ones in the massive amount of permissibly zoned empty space we have. We're only exacerbating it by bringing in tons of legal and illegal immigrants and having the government pay for their housing. It's not surprising there's a conspiracy theory about intentional replacement of the native population with that going on. Combine that with the value extraction from rent/debt (everyone has to own a car and since they probably can't afford to just buy one most are in debt over it) and no one can afford sex. The awful part of all this is that young people blame women. Women are just the messengers.
  - danuker 4y ago
    > already built homes effectively more affordable than building new ones The reason people buy instead of build is that the house is already there, whereas building anew takes a lot of time. As interest rates grow, it becomes more expensive to do so, and waiting starts paying off. But inflation is still high in spite of the high interest rates. And then, maybe the central banks will overshoot the interest rate, which will lead to another crash... Other than that, living in a walkable area has its advantages, and codes are much stricter in high densities, so you can't build.
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    I actually meant the people, not banks. Banks exacerbate the problem, but you don't need to hold everyone to the same standards as 30 years ago. People in family homes in Southern Europe date, too. Many Japanese people get married before they leave the parental home. This was pretty standard in most of Europe and America a little less than a century ago. >The awful part of all this is that young people blame women. I don't want to blame women in particular, but from personal anecdotes, women in particular place huge importance on a guy having his own car and place, despite both being massive wastes of money here and actively hurting one's ability to get housing later. The opposite, not so much. This in a country where even rent is now mostly a dual-income market.
    - usrn 4y ago
      The Japanese buy and large aren't having sex, so I'd disagree with you that they're a good example of women having lower standards. Their desire for men to have things and a stable life is probably biological and immutable. You can see their role as messengers of the truth pretty often. I saw this one video that I thought was pretty great where a group of three women were out. The videographer/interviewer had the two friends call up the first's boyfriend and ask to "hang out" behind her back as a sort of joke. The first woman then freaked out, not at her boyfriend for wanting to cheat but at her friends for showing it. If you watch carefully this sort of thing happens pretty often.
      - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
        >The Japanese buy and large aren't having sex, so I'd disagree with you that they're a good example of women having lower standards. This is a phenomenon in most of young generation US and EU too. Both housing and the ability to get on with someone are far cheaper and easier in Tokyo in particular, than most metropolises in the developed world. If that doesn't tell you there's more going on than "just your own place bro", I don't know what will. If women are continuously taught and telling each other that a guy must have their own place or they are bad / deadbeat, the entire thing becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Given our species as a whole has been procreating with less for most of our existence, I'm more eager to place my bets it's a cultural phenomenon rather than "biologically hardwired". >You can see their role as messengers of the truth pretty often. You can just as well say men are "messengers of truth" because they don't want to marry single moms. The only thing you're showing is that their words mean jack compared to their actions, as is the case with every human being under the sun.
- ptero 4y ago
  People in their 20s having their own digs is, I think, a decidedly American phenomenon. In most of the poorer parts of the world (including, for example, Central and Eastern Europe), 30+ years ago younger crowd managed to have sex just fine, using dorm rooms, snatching time while parents were away, etc. My 2c.
  - mcv 4y ago
    Aren't we talking about people in their 20s? You seem to be describing teenagers. For people in their 20s, it's always been quite normal to have a job, a home, and, at some point during their 20s, to get married.
    - lotsofpulp 4y ago
      I think that was a phenomenon relatively unique to US/Canada in post WW2 decades up until maybe the 90s.
      - mcv 4y ago
        I strongly doubt that. It was quite common in western Europe too. My parents got married in 1970 and did briefly live with my grandparents (who had a gigantic house that was still dirt cheap when they got married directly after WW2), but moved out soon after that. As far as I know, people moved out either when they married, or when they went to a university in a different city. Around 1990 I knew one guy who had a job and still lived with his parents, and I thought that was odd (he spent all his money on fancy audiophile equipment).
    - ptero 4y ago
      A job -- sure. But a common situation in cities would be for a 20-something to live with their parents until (and sometimes after) they got married due to the very limited housing. When I came to the US in my mid-20s I was absolutely stunned that it was possible for someone working an unskilled job (which is what I did for my first year) to rent a small apartment of one's own (in a sketchy part of the town, sure) and invite whoever I please whenever I want.
    - 4y ago
- TwoHeadedBeast 4y ago
  Is that the same Homer Simpson who has a highly skilled job in the nuclear industry, earning well above the median.
vidanay 4y ago
Because now you get a lifetime label as a registered sex offender if you get caught. Additionally, those of us who grew up in the 80's had the absolute fear of AIDS drilled into us. IMO, the AIDS epidemic blunted the libido of at least one generation.
- Beltiras 4y ago
  Almost nobody got laid in the 80's. Fact.
  - oldsecondhand 4y ago
    In the 80s AIDS was the gay disease. Also people live longer than a decade.
  - samatman 4y ago
    People who grew up in the 80s were by definition not getting laid until the 90s for the most part. As one of those people, well, it didn't stop me. But the terror was real.
- usrn 4y ago
  - vidanay 4y ago
    It's not a big deal, we know that now. In the 80's when I was a teenager, the fear-tactics and abstinence only education were strong - I'd even say at their peak. Those patterns get embedded in your brain.
    - krrrh 4y ago
      I’ll never forget seeing Oprah on tv in 1987, "Hello, everybody. AIDS has both sexes running scared. Research studies now project that one in five--listen to me, hard to believe--one if five heterosexuals could be dead from AIDS at the end of the next three years. That's by 1990. One in five. It is no longer just a gay disease. Believe me." By the time I was a teenager that fear had subsided, but that’s was a pretty dramatic thing to hear at a young age.

by usrn 4y ago

BlargMcLarg 4y ago

That, and most are still holding people in their 20s to the same standards as generations able to start a family with the credentials of Homer Simpson.

usrn 4y ago
"People" meaning banks really. The games with credit are effectively driving the housing shortage by making buying the small number of already built homes effectively more affordable than building new ones in the massive amount of permissibly zoned empty space we have. We're only exacerbating it by bringing in tons of legal and illegal immigrants and having the government pay for their housing. It's not surprising there's a conspiracy theory about intentional replacement of the native population with that going on. Combine that with the value extraction from rent/debt (everyone has to own a car and since they probably can't afford to just buy one most are in debt over it) and no one can afford sex. The awful part of all this is that young people blame women. Women are just the messengers.
- danuker 4y ago
  > already built homes effectively more affordable than building new ones The reason people buy instead of build is that the house is already there, whereas building anew takes a lot of time. As interest rates grow, it becomes more expensive to do so, and waiting starts paying off. But inflation is still high in spite of the high interest rates. And then, maybe the central banks will overshoot the interest rate, which will lead to another crash... Other than that, living in a walkable area has its advantages, and codes are much stricter in high densities, so you can't build.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  I actually meant the people, not banks. Banks exacerbate the problem, but you don't need to hold everyone to the same standards as 30 years ago. People in family homes in Southern Europe date, too. Many Japanese people get married before they leave the parental home. This was pretty standard in most of Europe and America a little less than a century ago. >The awful part of all this is that young people blame women. I don't want to blame women in particular, but from personal anecdotes, women in particular place huge importance on a guy having his own car and place, despite both being massive wastes of money here and actively hurting one's ability to get housing later. The opposite, not so much. This in a country where even rent is now mostly a dual-income market.
  - usrn 4y ago
    The Japanese buy and large aren't having sex, so I'd disagree with you that they're a good example of women having lower standards. Their desire for men to have things and a stable life is probably biological and immutable. You can see their role as messengers of the truth pretty often. I saw this one video that I thought was pretty great where a group of three women were out. The videographer/interviewer had the two friends call up the first's boyfriend and ask to "hang out" behind her back as a sort of joke. The first woman then freaked out, not at her boyfriend for wanting to cheat but at her friends for showing it. If you watch carefully this sort of thing happens pretty often.
    - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
      >The Japanese buy and large aren't having sex, so I'd disagree with you that they're a good example of women having lower standards. This is a phenomenon in most of young generation US and EU too. Both housing and the ability to get on with someone are far cheaper and easier in Tokyo in particular, than most metropolises in the developed world. If that doesn't tell you there's more going on than "just your own place bro", I don't know what will. If women are continuously taught and telling each other that a guy must have their own place or they are bad / deadbeat, the entire thing becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Given our species as a whole has been procreating with less for most of our existence, I'm more eager to place my bets it's a cultural phenomenon rather than "biologically hardwired". >You can see their role as messengers of the truth pretty often. You can just as well say men are "messengers of truth" because they don't want to marry single moms. The only thing you're showing is that their words mean jack compared to their actions, as is the case with every human being under the sun.
ptero 4y ago
People in their 20s having their own digs is, I think, a decidedly American phenomenon. In most of the poorer parts of the world (including, for example, Central and Eastern Europe), 30+ years ago younger crowd managed to have sex just fine, using dorm rooms, snatching time while parents were away, etc. My 2c.
- mcv 4y ago
  Aren't we talking about people in their 20s? You seem to be describing teenagers. For people in their 20s, it's always been quite normal to have a job, a home, and, at some point during their 20s, to get married.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    I think that was a phenomenon relatively unique to US/Canada in post WW2 decades up until maybe the 90s.
    - mcv 4y ago
      I strongly doubt that. It was quite common in western Europe too. My parents got married in 1970 and did briefly live with my grandparents (who had a gigantic house that was still dirt cheap when they got married directly after WW2), but moved out soon after that. As far as I know, people moved out either when they married, or when they went to a university in a different city. Around 1990 I knew one guy who had a job and still lived with his parents, and I thought that was odd (he spent all his money on fancy audiophile equipment).
  - ptero 4y ago
    A job -- sure. But a common situation in cities would be for a 20-something to live with their parents until (and sometimes after) they got married due to the very limited housing. When I came to the US in my mid-20s I was absolutely stunned that it was possible for someone working an unskilled job (which is what I did for my first year) to rent a small apartment of one's own (in a sketchy part of the town, sure) and invite whoever I please whenever I want.
  - 4y ago
TwoHeadedBeast 4y ago
Is that the same Homer Simpson who has a highly skilled job in the nuclear industry, earning well above the median.

vidanay 4y ago

Because now you get a lifetime label as a registered sex offender if you get caught. Additionally, those of us who grew up in the 80's had the absolute fear of AIDS drilled into us. IMO, the AIDS epidemic blunted the libido of at least one generation.

Beltiras 4y ago
Almost nobody got laid in the 80's. Fact.
- oldsecondhand 4y ago
  In the 80s AIDS was the gay disease. Also people live longer than a decade.
- samatman 4y ago
  People who grew up in the 80s were by definition not getting laid until the 90s for the most part. As one of those people, well, it didn't stop me. But the terror was real.
usrn 4y ago
- vidanay 4y ago
  It's not a big deal, we know that now. In the 80's when I was a teenager, the fear-tactics and abstinence only education were strong - I'd even say at their peak. Those patterns get embedded in your brain.
  - krrrh 4y ago
    I’ll never forget seeing Oprah on tv in 1987, "Hello, everybody. AIDS has both sexes running scared. Research studies now project that one in five--listen to me, hard to believe--one if five heterosexuals could be dead from AIDS at the end of the next three years. That's by 1990. One in five. It is no longer just a gay disease. Believe me." By the time I was a teenager that fear had subsided, but that’s was a pretty dramatic thing to hear at a young age.