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> what could web3 make for my family? You sound just like David Letterman when interviewing Bill Gates in 1995 ("why would I need a computer?", "oh, you mean I

> what could web3 make for my family? You sound just like David Letterman when interviewing Bill Gates in 1995 ("why would I need a computer?", "oh, you mean I can listen the baseball game. Does radio ring a bell?") https://youtu.be/fs-YpQj88ew?t=155 https://youtu.be/fs-YpQj88ew?t=155 > Of course if you are talking about the possibility that your shady or illegal business This, right here, is the problem. The problem is that because you have all the privileges (SEPA, access to international transfers and open markets, etc, etc, etc) you think that only "shady" and "illegal" business will want to do these things. Try being someone living in Argentina or Venezuela, who simply wants to work as a web designer with someone else from another continent. See how much Paypal (and by PayPal, I mean any money transmitting service) will eat in fees. See what exchange rate will be made available by the government.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> You sound just like David Letterman when interviewing Bill Gates So you're comparing Web3 with the computer and the internet revolution, but are not even able to tell me what's the advantage over current technologies, that are still evolving? > The problem is that because you have all the privileges You mean we have found a solution to a problem? > Try being someone living in Argentina or Venezuela My uncle is from Argentina. He's not looking for web3, he's looking for political stability and blames US for installing a totalitarian regime that destroyed his country that killed 30 thousand people, created 30,000 desaparecidos and imprisoned 400,000 [1] You've never spoken to someone from poorer countries, did you? Anyway, if someone from Argentina build a website, I can send them money directly to their bank account from my European bank account. No intermediary necessary, except good old banks. My instinct tells me that the only thing people in web3 "space" (it's more like a cult) are interested in is avoiding taxes and keeping their money hidden. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor EDIT: anyway, web3 is still web based. If governments can control banks, they can also control the web. See: China or North Korea. You won't free North Koreans with web3 nonsense.
- rglullis 4y ago
  The fact that your uncle is not "looking for web3" does not mean that other people are not using it. And, fiy, I was born and raised in Brazil. > My instinct tells me Your instinct is wrong. I can not do anything about that.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > The fact that your uncle is not "looking for web3" does not mean that other people are not using it. the fact that a couple of your friends are using it, doesn't make it "Letterman interviewing Gates" material. (btw, Letterman was being facetious, as per usual Letterman) > And, fiy, I was born and raised in Brazil. which is 10th economy by GDP in the World, just below Italy, my country, in front of many of what you called "privileged" European countries, such as Spain or the Netherlands... More importantly: sending money to Brazil from Europe costs me a fixed Euro 0.5-0.6, plus maximum 1% of the sum (if sending up to Euro 115, less if sending more). Very cheap, if you ask me. > Your instinct is wrong. I can not do anything about that. You could tell us why you are not able to explain what's the advantage for the average internet user, except avoiding taxes and hiding money...
    - rglullis 4y ago
      > 10th economy by GDP in the World Look at the numbers per capita, and look at the economic inequality indicators. > sending money to Brazil from Europe How much of these 100€ are going to get to the hands of the recipient, if sent by the "traditional" route? How fast can this money be made available to the recipient? What exchange rate is going to be used, the one offered to big international traders or the shitty one that banks offer to tourists? How much will be taken in fees by the banks? (not taxes, fees...). I'll tell you: there is a good chance that middlemen are going to eat 7-12% of those 100€, just because they can and no competitor can challenge them. And this is only for the first movement. What if the recipient in Brazil wants to have the money to buy something back in any other part of the world? > You could tell us why you are not able to explain what's the advantage for the average internet user Much like Bill Gates could not really explain the advantage of the internet to a privileged person in 1990's America? Honestly?! I am tired. I might be throwing tens of different possible use-cases, and to all of them your reaction will be "I can do that already, all I need is <insert middleman service provider>". There isn't much to say, is there? If you are satisfied with the status quo and you don't see a need for decentralized technology meant for disintermediation, good for you.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

> You sound just like David Letterman when interviewing Bill Gates So you're comparing Web3 with the computer and the internet revolution, but are not even able to tell me what's the advantage over current technologies, that are still evolving? > The problem is that because you have all the privileges You mean we have found a solution to a problem? > Try being someone living in Argentina or Venezuela My uncle is from Argentina. He's not looking for web3, he's looking for political stability and blames US for installing a totalitarian regime that destroyed his country that killed 30 thousand people, created 30,000 desaparecidos and imprisoned 400,000 [1] You've never spoken to someone from poorer countries, did you? Anyway, if someone from Argentina build a website, I can send them money directly to their bank account from my European bank account. No intermediary necessary, except good old banks. My instinct tells me that the only thing people in web3 "space" (it's more like a cult) are interested in is avoiding taxes and keeping their money hidden. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor EDIT: anyway, web3 is still web based. If governments can control banks, they can also control the web. See: China or North Korea. You won't free North Koreans with web3 nonsense.

rglullis 4y ago
The fact that your uncle is not "looking for web3" does not mean that other people are not using it. And, fiy, I was born and raised in Brazil. > My instinct tells me Your instinct is wrong. I can not do anything about that.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > The fact that your uncle is not "looking for web3" does not mean that other people are not using it. the fact that a couple of your friends are using it, doesn't make it "Letterman interviewing Gates" material. (btw, Letterman was being facetious, as per usual Letterman) > And, fiy, I was born and raised in Brazil. which is 10th economy by GDP in the World, just below Italy, my country, in front of many of what you called "privileged" European countries, such as Spain or the Netherlands... More importantly: sending money to Brazil from Europe costs me a fixed Euro 0.5-0.6, plus maximum 1% of the sum (if sending up to Euro 115, less if sending more). Very cheap, if you ask me. > Your instinct is wrong. I can not do anything about that. You could tell us why you are not able to explain what's the advantage for the average internet user, except avoiding taxes and hiding money...
  - rglullis 4y ago
    > 10th economy by GDP in the World Look at the numbers per capita, and look at the economic inequality indicators. > sending money to Brazil from Europe How much of these 100€ are going to get to the hands of the recipient, if sent by the "traditional" route? How fast can this money be made available to the recipient? What exchange rate is going to be used, the one offered to big international traders or the shitty one that banks offer to tourists? How much will be taken in fees by the banks? (not taxes, fees...). I'll tell you: there is a good chance that middlemen are going to eat 7-12% of those 100€, just because they can and no competitor can challenge them. And this is only for the first movement. What if the recipient in Brazil wants to have the money to buy something back in any other part of the world? > You could tell us why you are not able to explain what's the advantage for the average internet user Much like Bill Gates could not really explain the advantage of the internet to a privileged person in 1990's America? Honestly?! I am tired. I might be throwing tens of different possible use-cases, and to all of them your reaction will be "I can do that already, all I need is <insert middleman service provider>". There isn't much to say, is there? If you are satisfied with the status quo and you don't see a need for decentralized technology meant for disintermediation, good for you.