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Is there no limit to the amount of "Standing up" or rules about when and with whom you do it? Because it seems to me that if some people reject your existence,

Is there no limit to the amount of "Standing up" or rules about when and with whom you do it? Because it seems to me that if some people reject your existence, and in response you politicise your whole existence and become an insufferable walking-talking political billboard constantly shouting the same things regardless of context or consent of the people you're shouting at, seems to me like that's walking right into their trap? I can say, speaking from experience, that insufferable political advertising has the effect of making people who had no objection to your existence previously gradually start despising you. Isn't the best revenge, as always, to live well and normal? Maybe save your moral grandstanding to the next one who says your existence is a sin, and not the user who wants to get shit done?

Kye 4y ago
You have events mixed up. People act in the way you object to because others have politicized their existence. Refusing to be quiet about who they are is a response to people trying to erase them, both culturally and violently. That's what Pride is about. The first one was a riot kicked off by cops invading a space that was exactly as quiet as you would have preferred. It didn't work. The police came and attacked them anyway. Now we march and get in your face so you'll notice when someone tries to get rid of us.
- Banana699 4y ago
  >People act in the way you object to because others have politicized their existence I didn't mix up the order of the two : >>some people reject your existence, and in response you politicise your whole existence is saying the same thing as >Refusing to be quiet about who they are is a response to people trying to erase them, both culturally and violently. >The first one was a riot kicked off by cops invading a space that was exactly as quiet as you would have preferred. Now we march and get in your face so you'll notice when someone tries to get rid of us. So you mean to say that the identity obsession lgbt people seem to have is just a bizarre distress mechanism so that people constantly notice them and come to their help if somebody tries to be violent with them ? Can this possibly backfire when your presence become so invasive and annoying that you flip me from the [not caring whether you exist or not] state to the [actively wishing you don't exist] state ? Can you not see how a lot of people in the second state would bring about the very outcome you fear ? Does your culture tell the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf ?
  - Kye 4y ago
    In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here, and they keep coming. Nazis put people like me in the camps. The "good guys" left people like me there. The famous book burning photo everyone, including people who hate people like me, loves to post in relation to free speech was substantially the books of an era equivalent queer center. Pride is about making you aware of this. The threat is real, and it's here. Now. There's a volley of legislative attacks on people like me at this very moment right here in the US. It follows a brief lull after a string of attacks on access to public life.
    - Banana699 4y ago
      >In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here You assert this, then you proceed to describe the events of more than 75 years ago. Where exactly, in the countries you're allowed to hold pride parades today, are the nazis who want you in camps and prisons ? and how is obnoxiosly parading in the streets while wearing half-naked customs preventing those nazis from achieving what they want ? If you mean by the nazis the countries that still imprison and persecute lgbt people today, how is holding pride parades outside their borders putting pressure on them ? if anything, it's even more justification for their actions ("See what these people do when they win ? Do not let them win at all costs"). Do you have any reason to believe that holding pride parades significantly, and positvely, affect the state of lgbt people anywhere ? >There's a volley of legislative attacks on people like me at this very moment right here in the US Is this another deadend conversation about how parents not wanting their children to hear about your sex life an attack on you ? Because it's not, and if you're going to argue otherwise then let us please end the conversation right here. Because I'm tired of explaining to lgbt folks that lack of visibility won't kill them, and that people have the choice not to accept your identity let alone to teach it to their children. You're only owed 1 thing : Tolerance. The only obligation society has toward you when it comes to your identity is to not kill, imprison or otherwise materially harm you because of it, provided it doesn't involve breaking any laws. Society is not obligated to praise your identity. Society is not obligated to teach your identity to children. Society is not obligated to force people to let you in their life or into their businesses or into their children's public school curricula. If you can't agree to that, then you don't respect people's choices and therefore yours don't deserve to be respected as well.

Kye 4y ago

You have events mixed up. People act in the way you object to because others have politicized their existence. Refusing to be quiet about who they are is a response to people trying to erase them, both culturally and violently. That's what Pride is about. The first one was a riot kicked off by cops invading a space that was exactly as quiet as you would have preferred. It didn't work. The police came and attacked them anyway. Now we march and get in your face so you'll notice when someone tries to get rid of us.

Banana699 4y ago
>People act in the way you object to because others have politicized their existence I didn't mix up the order of the two : >>some people reject your existence, and in response you politicise your whole existence is saying the same thing as >Refusing to be quiet about who they are is a response to people trying to erase them, both culturally and violently. >The first one was a riot kicked off by cops invading a space that was exactly as quiet as you would have preferred. Now we march and get in your face so you'll notice when someone tries to get rid of us. So you mean to say that the identity obsession lgbt people seem to have is just a bizarre distress mechanism so that people constantly notice them and come to their help if somebody tries to be violent with them ? Can this possibly backfire when your presence become so invasive and annoying that you flip me from the [not caring whether you exist or not] state to the [actively wishing you don't exist] state ? Can you not see how a lot of people in the second state would bring about the very outcome you fear ? Does your culture tell the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf ?
- Kye 4y ago
  In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here, and they keep coming. Nazis put people like me in the camps. The "good guys" left people like me there. The famous book burning photo everyone, including people who hate people like me, loves to post in relation to free speech was substantially the books of an era equivalent queer center. Pride is about making you aware of this. The threat is real, and it's here. Now. There's a volley of legislative attacks on people like me at this very moment right here in the US. It follows a brief lull after a string of attacks on access to public life.
  - Banana699 4y ago
    >In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here You assert this, then you proceed to describe the events of more than 75 years ago. Where exactly, in the countries you're allowed to hold pride parades today, are the nazis who want you in camps and prisons ? and how is obnoxiosly parading in the streets while wearing half-naked customs preventing those nazis from achieving what they want ? If you mean by the nazis the countries that still imprison and persecute lgbt people today, how is holding pride parades outside their borders putting pressure on them ? if anything, it's even more justification for their actions ("See what these people do when they win ? Do not let them win at all costs"). Do you have any reason to believe that holding pride parades significantly, and positvely, affect the state of lgbt people anywhere ? >There's a volley of legislative attacks on people like me at this very moment right here in the US Is this another deadend conversation about how parents not wanting their children to hear about your sex life an attack on you ? Because it's not, and if you're going to argue otherwise then let us please end the conversation right here. Because I'm tired of explaining to lgbt folks that lack of visibility won't kill them, and that people have the choice not to accept your identity let alone to teach it to their children. You're only owed 1 thing : Tolerance. The only obligation society has toward you when it comes to your identity is to not kill, imprison or otherwise materially harm you because of it, provided it doesn't involve breaking any laws. Society is not obligated to praise your identity. Society is not obligated to teach your identity to children. Society is not obligated to force people to let you in their life or into their businesses or into their children's public school curricula. If you can't agree to that, then you don't respect people's choices and therefore yours don't deserve to be respected as well.