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> By providing a set of tools that allow (but not require) disintermediation. How exactly is it gonna make people do the switch from Google search, Google maps

> By providing a set of tools that allow (but not require) disintermediation. How exactly is it gonna make people do the switch from Google search, Google maps, WhatsApp, Instagram, Facebook, Netflix, iPhones/MacBooks etc.? > The question is: what about those people who don't get to enjoy these benefits? And can we get to provide this value without having all this collateral damage? Make your own website, communicate via e-mail, host your own mail server, etc. FAANG is not "the web" and "the web" is not the Internet. > It works for some cases, and it works for some people I don't think it actually works, or to put it in other words, it works like casinos in Las Vegas work. But that they improve society it's highly questionable IMO.

rglullis 4y ago
> How exactly is it gonna make people do the switch from Google search... I don't think we are talking about the same thing. The issue is not in getting people to consume the services that are "freely" available. The issue is in enabling people to participate both as consumers as well as producers in the larger economy without depending on intermediaries. Instead of "get people out of Google Search", think "allow people to buy and sell things online without depending on Paypal" or "how can we have an alternative for the small olive oil producer in Amazon if for some reason Amazon decides to enter the market and abuses its power?"
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > The issue is in enabling people to participate both as consumers as well as producers in the larger economy without depending on intermediaries. larger than what exactly? How web3 is gonna make it possible? I can already send my tomato sauce produced by my family to Japan by simply putting up a website. what could web3 make for my family? > allow people to buy and sell things online without depending on Paypal it's been possible for at last 20 years. I pay using my credit card, not Paypal. In Europe I can use SEPA transfers (usually free), SEPA Instant Credit Transfer (they cost me about 90 cents, money is transferred in seconds), the new PSD2 directive allow merchants to withdraw money directly from customers' accounts after being authorized and I believe GNU Taler is a much better option than any wallet solution web3 is proposing. People can pay using any channel already available, they can also send me cash in an envelope if they want to, I'll gladly accept it. And any of those systems (except cash in an envelope) are protected from fraud, insured, and refundable in full. What about Web3? Technically depending on Paypal is a choice. Of course if you are talking about the possibility that your shady or illegal business will be banned from using one of those payment systems, well, that's a feature, not a bug.
  - rglullis 4y ago
    > what could web3 make for my family? You sound just like David Letterman when interviewing Bill Gates in 1995 ("why would I need a computer?", "oh, you mean I can listen the baseball game. Does radio ring a bell?") https://youtu.be/fs-YpQj88ew?t=155 https://youtu.be/fs-YpQj88ew?t=155 > Of course if you are talking about the possibility that your shady or illegal business This, right here, is the problem. The problem is that because you have all the privileges (SEPA, access to international transfers and open markets, etc, etc, etc) you think that only "shady" and "illegal" business will want to do these things. Try being someone living in Argentina or Venezuela, who simply wants to work as a web designer with someone else from another continent. See how much Paypal (and by PayPal, I mean any money transmitting service) will eat in fees. See what exchange rate will be made available by the government.
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      > You sound just like David Letterman when interviewing Bill Gates So you're comparing Web3 with the computer and the internet revolution, but are not even able to tell me what's the advantage over current technologies, that are still evolving? > The problem is that because you have all the privileges You mean we have found a solution to a problem? > Try being someone living in Argentina or Venezuela My uncle is from Argentina. He's not looking for web3, he's looking for political stability and blames US for installing a totalitarian regime that destroyed his country that killed 30 thousand people, created 30,000 desaparecidos and imprisoned 400,000 [1] You've never spoken to someone from poorer countries, did you? Anyway, if someone from Argentina build a website, I can send them money directly to their bank account from my European bank account. No intermediary necessary, except good old banks. My instinct tells me that the only thing people in web3 "space" (it's more like a cult) are interested in is avoiding taxes and keeping their money hidden. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor EDIT: anyway, web3 is still web based. If governments can control banks, they can also control the web. See: China or North Korea. You won't free North Koreans with web3 nonsense.
      - rglullis 4y ago

rglullis 4y ago

> How exactly is it gonna make people do the switch from Google search... I don't think we are talking about the same thing. The issue is not in getting people to consume the services that are "freely" available. The issue is in enabling people to participate both as consumers as well as producers in the larger economy without depending on intermediaries. Instead of "get people out of Google Search", think "allow people to buy and sell things online without depending on Paypal" or "how can we have an alternative for the small olive oil producer in Amazon if for some reason Amazon decides to enter the market and abuses its power?"

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> The issue is in enabling people to participate both as consumers as well as producers in the larger economy without depending on intermediaries. larger than what exactly? How web3 is gonna make it possible? I can already send my tomato sauce produced by my family to Japan by simply putting up a website. what could web3 make for my family? > allow people to buy and sell things online without depending on Paypal it's been possible for at last 20 years. I pay using my credit card, not Paypal. In Europe I can use SEPA transfers (usually free), SEPA Instant Credit Transfer (they cost me about 90 cents, money is transferred in seconds), the new PSD2 directive allow merchants to withdraw money directly from customers' accounts after being authorized and I believe GNU Taler is a much better option than any wallet solution web3 is proposing. People can pay using any channel already available, they can also send me cash in an envelope if they want to, I'll gladly accept it. And any of those systems (except cash in an envelope) are protected from fraud, insured, and refundable in full. What about Web3? Technically depending on Paypal is a choice. Of course if you are talking about the possibility that your shady or illegal business will be banned from using one of those payment systems, well, that's a feature, not a bug.
- rglullis 4y ago
  > what could web3 make for my family? You sound just like David Letterman when interviewing Bill Gates in 1995 ("why would I need a computer?", "oh, you mean I can listen the baseball game. Does radio ring a bell?") https://youtu.be/fs-YpQj88ew?t=155 https://youtu.be/fs-YpQj88ew?t=155 > Of course if you are talking about the possibility that your shady or illegal business This, right here, is the problem. The problem is that because you have all the privileges (SEPA, access to international transfers and open markets, etc, etc, etc) you think that only "shady" and "illegal" business will want to do these things. Try being someone living in Argentina or Venezuela, who simply wants to work as a web designer with someone else from another continent. See how much Paypal (and by PayPal, I mean any money transmitting service) will eat in fees. See what exchange rate will be made available by the government.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > You sound just like David Letterman when interviewing Bill Gates So you're comparing Web3 with the computer and the internet revolution, but are not even able to tell me what's the advantage over current technologies, that are still evolving? > The problem is that because you have all the privileges You mean we have found a solution to a problem? > Try being someone living in Argentina or Venezuela My uncle is from Argentina. He's not looking for web3, he's looking for political stability and blames US for installing a totalitarian regime that destroyed his country that killed 30 thousand people, created 30,000 desaparecidos and imprisoned 400,000 [1] You've never spoken to someone from poorer countries, did you? Anyway, if someone from Argentina build a website, I can send them money directly to their bank account from my European bank account. No intermediary necessary, except good old banks. My instinct tells me that the only thing people in web3 "space" (it's more like a cult) are interested in is avoiding taxes and keeping their money hidden. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor EDIT: anyway, web3 is still web based. If governments can control banks, they can also control the web. See: China or North Korea. You won't free North Koreans with web3 nonsense.
    - rglullis 4y ago