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Are there places to host an independent bare-metal box where the internet provider for that box is more reliable than cloudflare?

by shric 4y ago

Semaphor 4y ago
We’ve been on Hetzner for several years now. So far the only outages we had were from us moving servers (yeah, we don’t have high availability or load balancing, just a single beefy dedicated server). So, yes?
- jonatron 4y ago
  Last company I worked for, we had many Hetzner servers. We had many drive failures and CPU fan failures. It's fine if you can deal with a relatively high chance of hardware failure.
js4ever 4y ago
According to my monitoring, yes and by a large difference
gfosco 4y ago
Any local data center.
Santosh83 4y ago
Perhaps not, but those who want to avoid Cloudflare for technical or idealogical reasons won't realistically expect identical performance from smaller alternatives. Same as using Linux. People use it knowing fully well it may not support the latest & greatest consumer gadgets like Windows, but unless people use alternatives despite minor downsides, we shouldn't be distressed when we eventually reach a point of global near-monopoly.
- guerrilla 4y ago
  > People use it knowing fully well it may not support the latest & greatest consumer gadgets like Windows, Like what exactly?
HelloNurse 4y ago
Your box running your web server is far less complicated than using a CDN and worrying about countless additional points of failure. Network problems are only a minor risk.
- ranguna 4y ago
  And where will I host my box? I'm my apartment? My Internet goes down at least twice a year and my electricity goes down even more, specially in the winter. So no, this is not more reliable than cloudflare.
  - HelloNurse 4y ago
    In a discussion about using a CDN, it's implicit that it represents an addition to "professional" hosting with servers in a well managed data center that has, at least, redundant high-bandwidth network connections, not to a domestic network connection. Note that your home network could be good enough for a personal web site that nobody pays you to respect a SLA on.
    - ranguna 4y ago
      Soooo... Cloudflare?
      - mwcampbell 4y ago
        No, we're talking about a colocation provider, or a leased dedicated server provider. I went with OVHcloud US for my latest deployment. HN is at m5hosting.com.
        ranguna 4y ago
        OVH had some server fires that caused some amount of user downtime. I'm not really sure how that's gonna help. Unless you have fallback with multi cloud deployments.
  - zahllos 4y ago
jwr 4y ago
I have been running my business on Hetzner bare-metal servers for the last 7 years. During that time there were several brief network outages, on the order of minutes. I think one network outage was 30 minutes. Other than that, no problems. Given the price and performance difference between bare-metal and everything else, I am puzzled as to why small businesses that do not need scalability do not go with bare metal. And given the speeds of todays hardware, if you are not doing something stupid and you have a B2B SaaS, it's really difficult to need "scalability" beyond several bare-metal servers. To be clear, I do not consider my bare-metal boxes "reliable", I have a multi-server setup managed by ansible, with a distributed database, and I can take a single-node failure without problems. I also have a staging setup that can be converted to production quickly, and a terraform setup that can quickly spin up a Digital Ocean cluster if needed.

Are there places to host an independent bare-metal box where the internet provider for that box is more reliable than cloudflare?

by shric 4y ago

Are there places to host an independent bare-metal box where the internet provider for that box is more reliable than cloudflare?

Semaphor 4y ago

We’ve been on Hetzner for several years now. So far the only outages we had were from us moving servers (yeah, we don’t have high availability or load balancing, just a single beefy dedicated server). So, yes?

jonatron 4y ago
Last company I worked for, we had many Hetzner servers. We had many drive failures and CPU fan failures. It's fine if you can deal with a relatively high chance of hardware failure.

js4ever 4y ago

According to my monitoring, yes and by a large difference

gfosco 4y ago

Any local data center.

Santosh83 4y ago

Perhaps not, but those who want to avoid Cloudflare for technical or idealogical reasons won't realistically expect identical performance from smaller alternatives. Same as using Linux. People use it knowing fully well it may not support the latest & greatest consumer gadgets like Windows, but unless people use alternatives despite minor downsides, we shouldn't be distressed when we eventually reach a point of global near-monopoly.

guerrilla 4y ago
> People use it knowing fully well it may not support the latest & greatest consumer gadgets like Windows, Like what exactly?

HelloNurse 4y ago

Your box running your web server is far less complicated than using a CDN and worrying about countless additional points of failure. Network problems are only a minor risk.

ranguna 4y ago
And where will I host my box? I'm my apartment? My Internet goes down at least twice a year and my electricity goes down even more, specially in the winter. So no, this is not more reliable than cloudflare.
- HelloNurse 4y ago
  In a discussion about using a CDN, it's implicit that it represents an addition to "professional" hosting with servers in a well managed data center that has, at least, redundant high-bandwidth network connections, not to a domestic network connection. Note that your home network could be good enough for a personal web site that nobody pays you to respect a SLA on.
  - ranguna 4y ago
    Soooo... Cloudflare?
    - mwcampbell 4y ago
      No, we're talking about a colocation provider, or a leased dedicated server provider. I went with OVHcloud US for my latest deployment. HN is at m5hosting.com.
      - ranguna 4y ago
        OVH had some server fires that caused some amount of user downtime. I'm not really sure how that's gonna help. Unless you have fallback with multi cloud deployments.
- zahllos 4y ago

jwr 4y ago

I have been running my business on Hetzner bare-metal servers for the last 7 years. During that time there were several brief network outages, on the order of minutes. I think one network outage was 30 minutes. Other than that, no problems. Given the price and performance difference between bare-metal and everything else, I am puzzled as to why small businesses that do not need scalability do not go with bare metal. And given the speeds of todays hardware, if you are not doing something stupid and you have a B2B SaaS, it's really difficult to need "scalability" beyond several bare-metal servers. To be clear, I do not consider my bare-metal boxes "reliable", I have a multi-server setup managed by ansible, with a distributed database, and I can take a single-node failure without problems. I also have a staging setup that can be converted to production quickly, and a terraform setup that can quickly spin up a Digital Ocean cluster if needed.