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This should hopefully drive home the idea of why HN shouldn't be cheering on Cloudflare's slow takeover of the internet.
by mike_d 4y ago
This should hopefully drive home the idea of why HN shouldn't be cheering on Cloudflare's slow takeover of the internet.
- collyw 4y agoOut of interest, what competitors are available? Clodufare protects against DDOS? Does it do other stuff?
- bilekas 4y agoCLoudflare just offer great services. Its straight up fact that even their free model is extremely generous. There is no big conspiracy to 'take over the internet' but when the product is good, the product is good.
- rapnie 4y agoNot a 'big conspiracy'. It's the business model, isn't it? Or isn't CF going for the biggest marketshare and maximizing profits on that, like all the others?
- bilekas 4y agoIt's certainly any business' model to grow as big as possible, but it's a hard business model to implement so competition is hard to find. I just can't blame CF for that imo.
- sph 4y agoThis is what is commonly called "golden handcuffs". Of course they offer a great product, that's how you create a monopoly.
- buf 4y agoThis. I used Cloudflare for 10 years as a free customer. Now I pay them at least $5k a month. Freemium works when the services are good.
- robocat 4y ago> There is no big conspiracy CloudFlare should be run by the CIA or something - asthonishing MITM opportunities. The only clear sign the CIA is not deeply involved is that CloudFlare is far too competent.
- mike_d 4y agoIt blows my mind how most of the otherwise savvy readers of HN completely gloss over the fact that Cloudflare unwraps TLS on most their internet traffic. I trust that the current leadership might not do something evil, but they are publicly traded. At some point a group of investors are going to figure out that merging Cloudflare with an advertising network would create a level of user targeting that Google and Facebook could never dream of.
- sammy2244 4y ago
- easytiger 4y agoGovernments in Europe and elsewhere are already working on legislation to mitigate e2e encryption by law. Regulating things like cloudflare as they have already done with ISPs to hand over data is not even much of an imagination leap. For example in the UK all time:srcip:destip:user data must be kept for 1 year for every residential ISP and provided to government departments (not even law enforcement) through a standard system
- hulahoof 4y agoAgreed, NSA is much more likely