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Hossenfelder disagrees, https://youtu.be/cZ9YAFYIBOU https://youtu.be/cZ9YAFYIBOU Pro athletics have never been fair. Born women pro athletes are the top of th

Hossenfelder disagrees, https://youtu.be/cZ9YAFYIBOU https://youtu.be/cZ9YAFYIBOU Pro athletics have never been fair. Born women pro athletes are the top of the top and have higher testosterone and muscle development. For a MTF athlete to compete they have to actually be tested for hormone levels over years of time. Yes, they will still have physical superiority over the average women. However, this is pro sports. There are very few trans athletes, and the stories of MTF competitors being unfair are either 1. Fabricated, 2. The sports org did not implement proper rules. Or 3. People are looking to hate on something.

djohnston 4y ago
Or it's just unfair?
major505 4y ago
Theres not that many trans athletes because still is a new thing. In a few years manybe we have athletes transitioning just to win competitions. If you think this is bullshit, just remember that in the past people would Take strychnine to have better performance in marathons.
- wizofaus 4y ago
  And worse, being pressured to do so before turning 12...
  - devwastaken 4y ago
    While bad things happen everywhere, that is not an accurate representation of the issue in a wider scope. It would be like saying water is bad because some water harms people. The "community" does not agree with forcing anyone to transition.
    - wizofaus 4y ago
      I'd like to think there won't be cases of pre-pubescent boys with talent and ambitions in a particular sport who are also going through a phase of gender identity questioning being pressured in such a way (and specifically I mean gender-reassignment treatment/surgery), but it seems a bit naive to assume it won't happen at all. I can only hope it was taken into consideration when handing down the ruling.
      - major505 4y ago
        Bad parents gave drugs to keep child actors on business before. Is not a lot to presume some would give hormone treatment.
- devwastaken 4y ago
  Research how transitioning actually works. You don't just declare your gender and get into a pro sports team. Trans isn't new, you can find plenty of references to it in movies from the 80's even. You just didn't see it until the internet brought information to everyone everywhere.

djohnston 4y ago

Or it's just unfair?

major505 4y ago

Theres not that many trans athletes because still is a new thing. In a few years manybe we have athletes transitioning just to win competitions. If you think this is bullshit, just remember that in the past people would Take strychnine to have better performance in marathons.

wizofaus 4y ago
And worse, being pressured to do so before turning 12...
- devwastaken 4y ago
  While bad things happen everywhere, that is not an accurate representation of the issue in a wider scope. It would be like saying water is bad because some water harms people. The "community" does not agree with forcing anyone to transition.
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    I'd like to think there won't be cases of pre-pubescent boys with talent and ambitions in a particular sport who are also going through a phase of gender identity questioning being pressured in such a way (and specifically I mean gender-reassignment treatment/surgery), but it seems a bit naive to assume it won't happen at all. I can only hope it was taken into consideration when handing down the ruling.
    - major505 4y ago
      Bad parents gave drugs to keep child actors on business before. Is not a lot to presume some would give hormone treatment.
devwastaken 4y ago
Research how transitioning actually works. You don't just declare your gender and get into a pro sports team. Trans isn't new, you can find plenty of references to it in movies from the 80's even. You just didn't see it until the internet brought information to everyone everywhere.