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> Alternatively, perhaps pay people to complete the assignments. That doesn't solve the majority of the "senior position" problem. Like you point out, your sc

> Alternatively, perhaps pay people to complete the assignments. That doesn't solve the majority of the "senior position" problem. Like you point out, your schedule does not have a "spare" 4 hour block in it, and paying you $1000 to find one is not going to make you jump at the opportunity if the alternative is a different role that is not asking for a 4 hour block of your family time. Anybody recruiting for "senior roles" needs to understand the 30-40 year olds, who are the only people who have the professional experience you're seeking, cannot be recruited like fresh college grads who can blast through pointless coding tests between 11pm and 3am, and do that 3 or 4 times a week and at least some off whom will genuinely enjoy doing so. My first production code shipped for MacOS 7.5 and Windows 3.1. I am still shipping production code (although only rarely since these days I'm mostly managing a team rather than coding daily). I am _not_ going to do your take home 4hr assignment no matter who you are or what you're offering. Asking me to do it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of who I am, and I am not going to take a job with someone who knows that little about me. (And I have way better things to do with my free time than your pointless test)

cwilkes 4y ago
But going onsite or remote interviewing for 4 hours is more reasonable? Looking at the original post they have a 4 hour at home coding assignment that’s followed up by a group presentation. I’m guessing that one is an hour or so. Figure another hour or two to prepare for that. It doesn’t seem like it is much off from a typical 5-6 hour on site interview. Plus I think you can get more of a signal about how they can explain a problem that they spent some time thinking about vs trying them trying to get excited about a leet code problem.
- thraxil 4y ago
  The advantage of interviews at least is that it's two-way. That's time out of their day as well as mine. When I'm interviewing at a company, I'm also interviewing them to see if I want to work for them. Doing a take-home assignment is completely one sided. It takes up my time but basically none of theirs and it gives them information about me, but not the other way around.
- Clubber 4y ago
  >But going onsite or remote interviewing for 4 hours is more reasonable? I would never subject myself to a 4 hour interview either. What information can a company get in 4 hours they can't get in 1 hour? Seems like a massive waste of time done by a hiring process created by people that don't know any better. If you want seniors to even consider you, you need to ditch all that garbage and save it for people fresh in the field. Now if you are willing to pay double market rates you'll get more seniors willing to go through that, but if you are paying "market" rates and "good" benefits, you're not going to get the interest.

cwilkes 4y ago

But going onsite or remote interviewing for 4 hours is more reasonable? Looking at the original post they have a 4 hour at home coding assignment that’s followed up by a group presentation. I’m guessing that one is an hour or so. Figure another hour or two to prepare for that. It doesn’t seem like it is much off from a typical 5-6 hour on site interview. Plus I think you can get more of a signal about how they can explain a problem that they spent some time thinking about vs trying them trying to get excited about a leet code problem.

thraxil 4y ago
The advantage of interviews at least is that it's two-way. That's time out of their day as well as mine. When I'm interviewing at a company, I'm also interviewing them to see if I want to work for them. Doing a take-home assignment is completely one sided. It takes up my time but basically none of theirs and it gives them information about me, but not the other way around.
Clubber 4y ago
>But going onsite or remote interviewing for 4 hours is more reasonable? I would never subject myself to a 4 hour interview either. What information can a company get in 4 hours they can't get in 1 hour? Seems like a massive waste of time done by a hiring process created by people that don't know any better. If you want seniors to even consider you, you need to ditch all that garbage and save it for people fresh in the field. Now if you are willing to pay double market rates you'll get more seniors willing to go through that, but if you are paying "market" rates and "good" benefits, you're not going to get the interest.