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I agree with everything you say. Calfiornia is growing lettuce and strawberries with field irrigation when we can go indoors and CEA. These crops are low calori

I agree with everything you say. Calfiornia is growing lettuce and strawberries with field irrigation when we can go indoors and CEA. These crops are low calorie and low nutrition and trucked nationwide. Over 40% wastage cold refrigerated trucks have to be used. Criminal waste of water and fuel. There is no excuse to grow almonds in this drought to export them worldwide. And sending alfafa to China for their dairy in boxes. California has lost the plot long time ago.

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
What about the non-native lawns, flowers, shrubs, and trees populated by millions of homes in the states fed by the Colorado? All of which require irrigation.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Are you prepared to regulate individual homeowner's yards?
  - mbg721 4y ago
    Everyone in the US seems to be; it's a national sport.
  - brokensegue 4y ago
    Just regulate lawn water usage. It's already done during droughts.
  - xref 4y ago
    Uhh like the thousands of existing regulations? Personally I’m banned from having roosters in my yard, banned from watering on even-numbered days, banned from renting my lawn to campers, banned from having political signs outside of the 6 weeks pre & post election… Also I’m fine with all these.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  They do require water (some lawns are watered in the form of irrigation; some aren't). But if you look at the water usage statistics, agriculture uses far more than homes (including their lawns). So if you want to do something about water use, it makes more sense to go after agriculture, because that's where the most use is.
  - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    Thanks. I didn’t know that.
- colechristensen 4y ago
  These are done on a much smaller scale. It’s fun to blame people in a way that shames them, but it doesn’t always match reality. There is a whole lot of foolish water allocation to agriculture which should never have been done in the first place that just needs to stop. The sector needs to shrink to manageable levels. Agricultural water use is something like 4x urban water use in California. There just needs to be less of it, and exporting heavy water using crops needs to be carefully considered.
- jmyeet 4y ago
  This already happens. Las Vegas has restrictions on this. LA does too. Additionally, just looking at the LA water rates [1] you see that depending on the size of the lot, you get a tiered water pricing depending on your usage. Put another way: the more water you use the more each unit of water costs you. So you can have a big non-native lawn but it's going to cost you. Personally, I'm completely fine with that. Outright prohibition seems unnecessary. [1]: https://www.ladwp.com/ladwp/faces/ladwp/residential/r-customerservices/r-cs-understandingyourrates/r-cs-ur-waterrates https://www.ladwp.com/ladwp/faces/ladwp/residential/r-custom...
Lammy 4y ago
> California is growing lettuce and strawberries with field irrigation Taking up as much land as possible is the point, and the water usage is secondary to that. It’s a mechanism to curtail population growth and overlaps with the comically inadequate housing supply, the troubles building transit (e.g. the fragmented mess of systems in the Bay Area, the HSR boondoggle), the freeway revolts, etc. See also: ranching, areas now considered “conserved” (for whom?) despite being clear-cut once already, all the vineyards in Napa/Sonoma, cannabis in Mendo/Humboldt. Anything but housing.
- hyperhopper 4y ago
  Your comment lacks explanation. Why do they need to farm? If produce isn't the goal why not leave the land empty? Why are they so opposed to housing?
  - jelliclesfarm 4y ago
    Just because there is land and we can plop a house in it doesnt mean that it can support more people. It takes a lot for liveable cities. Mostly natural resources that aren’t renewable. We are not food sustainable nor do we have a small food footprint. We need more trees and grassland to sequester carbon. Lots of land doesn’t mean it’s all habitable. There is a reason the tropics are the most populated. Most of earth is not friendly to humans and are better suited to support environment and habitat and climate. It is futile imagination that makes us think that we have an abundance of resources. In fact..everything runs on fossil fuels. Even food is fossil fuel turned into calories. Population at half of today’s level is still above carrying a capacity of earth. I am a big proponent of E.O.Wilson’s Half Earth where half the planet must be returned to nature ti be rewilded and habitat must be restored. This isn’t to say that procreation must be penalized. We need human beings to keeP our species from going extinct. What we need is an environment that nurtures all species. We rely on other species and habitat as we are a super apex predator and need them for our survival. It’s overpopulation that is endangering our survival. The solution is simple. Women don’t want to be mothers because they are called birthing persons these days. Give women back their power. This planet was formed by wise women… maiden, mother and crone held the power as life givers. Give it back to us. Women will nourish the species and the planet back to health. First we need to examine the reasons for over population that is unsustainable. Start with getting rid of men and religious heads dictating what women can and should do with their bodies. Every woman has maternal instincts. No woman wants her body to be exploited by men. One of these instincts win. Right now, the latter is winning. Our species will perish. Unless women seize back the power over their own bodies.

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago

What about the non-native lawns, flowers, shrubs, and trees populated by millions of homes in the states fed by the Colorado? All of which require irrigation.

rootusrootus 4y ago
Are you prepared to regulate individual homeowner's yards?
- mbg721 4y ago
  Everyone in the US seems to be; it's a national sport.
- brokensegue 4y ago
  Just regulate lawn water usage. It's already done during droughts.
- xref 4y ago
  Uhh like the thousands of existing regulations? Personally I’m banned from having roosters in my yard, banned from watering on even-numbered days, banned from renting my lawn to campers, banned from having political signs outside of the 6 weeks pre & post election… Also I’m fine with all these.
AnimalMuppet 4y ago
They do require water (some lawns are watered in the form of irrigation; some aren't). But if you look at the water usage statistics, agriculture uses far more than homes (including their lawns). So if you want to do something about water use, it makes more sense to go after agriculture, because that's where the most use is.
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  Thanks. I didn’t know that.
colechristensen 4y ago
These are done on a much smaller scale. It’s fun to blame people in a way that shames them, but it doesn’t always match reality. There is a whole lot of foolish water allocation to agriculture which should never have been done in the first place that just needs to stop. The sector needs to shrink to manageable levels. Agricultural water use is something like 4x urban water use in California. There just needs to be less of it, and exporting heavy water using crops needs to be carefully considered.
jmyeet 4y ago
This already happens. Las Vegas has restrictions on this. LA does too. Additionally, just looking at the LA water rates [1] you see that depending on the size of the lot, you get a tiered water pricing depending on your usage. Put another way: the more water you use the more each unit of water costs you. So you can have a big non-native lawn but it's going to cost you. Personally, I'm completely fine with that. Outright prohibition seems unnecessary. [1]: https://www.ladwp.com/ladwp/faces/ladwp/residential/r-customerservices/r-cs-understandingyourrates/r-cs-ur-waterrates https://www.ladwp.com/ladwp/faces/ladwp/residential/r-custom...

Lammy 4y ago

> California is growing lettuce and strawberries with field irrigation Taking up as much land as possible is the point, and the water usage is secondary to that. It’s a mechanism to curtail population growth and overlaps with the comically inadequate housing supply, the troubles building transit (e.g. the fragmented mess of systems in the Bay Area, the HSR boondoggle), the freeway revolts, etc. See also: ranching, areas now considered “conserved” (for whom?) despite being clear-cut once already, all the vineyards in Napa/Sonoma, cannabis in Mendo/Humboldt. Anything but housing.

hyperhopper 4y ago
Your comment lacks explanation. Why do they need to farm? If produce isn't the goal why not leave the land empty? Why are they so opposed to housing?
- jelliclesfarm 4y ago
  Just because there is land and we can plop a house in it doesnt mean that it can support more people. It takes a lot for liveable cities. Mostly natural resources that aren’t renewable. We are not food sustainable nor do we have a small food footprint. We need more trees and grassland to sequester carbon. Lots of land doesn’t mean it’s all habitable. There is a reason the tropics are the most populated. Most of earth is not friendly to humans and are better suited to support environment and habitat and climate. It is futile imagination that makes us think that we have an abundance of resources. In fact..everything runs on fossil fuels. Even food is fossil fuel turned into calories. Population at half of today’s level is still above carrying a capacity of earth. I am a big proponent of E.O.Wilson’s Half Earth where half the planet must be returned to nature ti be rewilded and habitat must be restored. This isn’t to say that procreation must be penalized. We need human beings to keeP our species from going extinct. What we need is an environment that nurtures all species. We rely on other species and habitat as we are a super apex predator and need them for our survival. It’s overpopulation that is endangering our survival. The solution is simple. Women don’t want to be mothers because they are called birthing persons these days. Give women back their power. This planet was formed by wise women… maiden, mother and crone held the power as life givers. Give it back to us. Women will nourish the species and the planet back to health. First we need to examine the reasons for over population that is unsustainable. Start with getting rid of men and religious heads dictating what women can and should do with their bodies. Every woman has maternal instincts. No woman wants her body to be exploited by men. One of these instincts win. Right now, the latter is winning. Our species will perish. Unless women seize back the power over their own bodies.