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I think jokes in general seem to land with audience based on the accuracy of the topic being made fun of. I think that's what allows some people to make jokes
by 3vidence 4y ago
I think jokes in general seem to land with audience based on the accuracy of the topic being made fun of.
I think that's what allows some people to make jokes Md others not. For example I think the Dave Chappelle stuff isn't landing very well, because he doesn't seem to understand the topic of being transgendered.
By contrast any of Rowan Atkinson's work making fun of the British elite seems so accurate and still able to find the humor and contradictions.
- bergenty 4y agoThe Dave Chapelle material has landed extremely well. It’s probably my metric for how well received your jokes are.
- aaomidi 4y agoAnd here we see an example of how subjective jokes are. Dave Chapelles jokes to me are effectively anti humor.
- yucky 4y ago>For example I think the Dave Chappelle stuff isn't landing very well, because he doesn't seem to understand the topic of being transgendered. I'm pretty sure Chappelle's joke have landed extremely well, which is why he is so reviled by those who find themselves the butt of his jokes. Anyway, as Voltaire once said "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
- PickledHotdog 4y agoAh yes, because we can't make racist jokes about black people, they must rule over us
- yucky 4y agoI think like many things said hundreds of years ago, it requires a modern lens to see how it fits present day life. Also, Chappelle is black.
- rayiner 4y agoDave Chapelle’s latest stuff is funnier if you realize that, as always, he’s mocking white people. In this case the sensitivities of white liberals and the intersectional hierarchy they’ve constructed regarding who can make fun of whom.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago> you realize that, as always, he’s mocking white people. In this case the sensitivities of white liberals This is likely true, but is that "punching up" or "punching down" ? You're saying that it's "punching up" but there's an element of punching up at "those comfortable middle-class white people, with their concern for a different minority to mine, who are having a hard time and are a political punching bag, let's trash that concern" which is not entirely "punching up", now is it? It's punching down by proxy.
- rayiner 4y agoIt’s the other way around—white people and their values are the target, not the proxy. For example, the joke about the rapper DaBaby getting cancelled for his comments about sexual minorities (but not his killing another Black man) is a commentary on white liberal moral priorities. Likewise the joke about gay people being able to pass as white with respect to the police is a commentary on the intersectional hierarchy that puts sexual minorities above Black people.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago> It’s the other way around—white people and their values are the target, not the proxy. Quite, the gay or trans people are not the target, just collateral damage, but never mind them, who cares about them anyway? I don't think that you have a solid argument here.
- spacemanmatt 4y agoThere are a lot of comics who don't throw minorities under the bus for a laugh. I think he tries to appeal to middle-class white audiences with that material. He knows which side his bread is buttered on and he does not give a damn.
- rowanG077 4y agoI would rather say that the British elites can take a joke while a loud subset of the transgender community can't. For obvious reasons I might add. The British elites haven't been marginalized for decades.