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We are in a prison surounded by high walls, wire fences and guard towers occupied by watchful guards. Some of us are digging a ditch so we can all escape this h

We are in a prison surounded by high walls, wire fences and guard towers occupied by watchful guards. Some of us are digging a ditch so we can all escape this hell, and you're standing at the entrance yelling at us that the ditch doesn't do anything. Why don't you help, or at least shut up?

mattnewton 4y ago
To stretch this metaphor even further, I guess some people don’t believe this is a prison and wonder why you are digging up the community park with a bunch of holes that seem dangerous and at the very least tear up the greenery we could have played on.
- pton_xd 4y ago
  > I guess some people don’t believe this is a prison > tear up the greenery we could have played on Can hardly believe HN is earnestly arguing that walled gardens controlled by Google / Facebook / et al are a preferable future for the internet. There's some serious cognitive dissonance on this site when it comes to blockchain tech.
  - threeseed 4y ago
    a) Web3 doesn't prevent centralisation. Look at NFTs and OpenSea and how it manipulates the output of the blockchain to flag/hide stolen NFTs. b) I don't use Facebook and Google only for search engine. So those aren't walled gardens for many people.
    - pton_xd 4y ago
      > a) Web3 doesn't prevent centralisation. Look at NFTs and OpenSea and how it manipulates the output of the blockchain to flag/hide stolen NFTs. No one, including OP, is arguing that web3/blockchain/whatever is "solved." It's obviously very new tech with tons of flaws. Why can't we have a frank conversation about the flaws and work on solutions? Instead on HN we get brainless vitriol against ANYTHING blockchain related and arguments that decentralization is unnecessary (just use a database, duh! Just trust Google, duh!). The whole thing is frustratingly dishonest. > b) I don't use Facebook and Google only for search engine. So those aren't walled gardens for many people. Facebook, Google, and/or Apple control your life. You can't even operate a phone without one of them.
      - mattnewton 4y ago
        > Instead on HN we get brainless vitriol against ANYTHING blockchain related and arguments that decentralization is unnecessary (just use a database, duh! Just trust Google, duh!). The whole thing is frustratingly dishonest. I’m honestly trying not to throw the baby out with the bath water here but struggling to find out if the baby was ever even in the bath amidst all this dirty water. The problem statements people say crypto will solve and then the implementation always seem like total non-sequiturs to me. I could just be dumb and missing the next big thing from the internet, I accept that. But it’s not for a lack of trying or good faith that smart people could see something there, I assure you. > Facebook, Google, and/or Apple control your life. You can't even operate a phone without one of them. How is a blockchain going to approach solving this problem? Why are we conflating these issues? This is the kind of thing that makes me scratch my head like I mentioned above.
martin_a 4y ago
Strong images here. You probably need those to justify all the stuff that is going on in cryptoland?! Why not elaborate on what the walls, fences and guard towers are for us non-paranoid people?
this_user 4y ago
Except that ditch leads to a second prison that you built, but this one has no guards and no rules, and people are getting stabbed to death and a daily basis while a few unelected and unaccountable inmates are robbing everyone else.
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mattnewton 4y ago

To stretch this metaphor even further, I guess some people don’t believe this is a prison and wonder why you are digging up the community park with a bunch of holes that seem dangerous and at the very least tear up the greenery we could have played on.

pton_xd 4y ago
> I guess some people don’t believe this is a prison > tear up the greenery we could have played on Can hardly believe HN is earnestly arguing that walled gardens controlled by Google / Facebook / et al are a preferable future for the internet. There's some serious cognitive dissonance on this site when it comes to blockchain tech.
- threeseed 4y ago
  a) Web3 doesn't prevent centralisation. Look at NFTs and OpenSea and how it manipulates the output of the blockchain to flag/hide stolen NFTs. b) I don't use Facebook and Google only for search engine. So those aren't walled gardens for many people.
  - pton_xd 4y ago
    > a) Web3 doesn't prevent centralisation. Look at NFTs and OpenSea and how it manipulates the output of the blockchain to flag/hide stolen NFTs. No one, including OP, is arguing that web3/blockchain/whatever is "solved." It's obviously very new tech with tons of flaws. Why can't we have a frank conversation about the flaws and work on solutions? Instead on HN we get brainless vitriol against ANYTHING blockchain related and arguments that decentralization is unnecessary (just use a database, duh! Just trust Google, duh!). The whole thing is frustratingly dishonest. > b) I don't use Facebook and Google only for search engine. So those aren't walled gardens for many people. Facebook, Google, and/or Apple control your life. You can't even operate a phone without one of them.
    - mattnewton 4y ago
      > Instead on HN we get brainless vitriol against ANYTHING blockchain related and arguments that decentralization is unnecessary (just use a database, duh! Just trust Google, duh!). The whole thing is frustratingly dishonest. I’m honestly trying not to throw the baby out with the bath water here but struggling to find out if the baby was ever even in the bath amidst all this dirty water. The problem statements people say crypto will solve and then the implementation always seem like total non-sequiturs to me. I could just be dumb and missing the next big thing from the internet, I accept that. But it’s not for a lack of trying or good faith that smart people could see something there, I assure you. > Facebook, Google, and/or Apple control your life. You can't even operate a phone without one of them. How is a blockchain going to approach solving this problem? Why are we conflating these issues? This is the kind of thing that makes me scratch my head like I mentioned above.

martin_a 4y ago

Strong images here. You probably need those to justify all the stuff that is going on in cryptoland?! Why not elaborate on what the walls, fences and guard towers are for us non-paranoid people?

this_user 4y ago

Except that ditch leads to a second prison that you built, but this one has no guards and no rules, and people are getting stabbed to death and a daily basis while a few unelected and unaccountable inmates are robbing everyone else.

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