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How about when every single company rewrote their frontend stack in React after angular.js was done, circa 2015? Or when everyone moved to k8s within 2 years ar

by axlee 4y ago

How about when every single company rewrote their frontend stack in React after angular.js was done, circa 2015? Or when everyone moved to k8s within 2 years around 2017-2019? Hell, now even companies that definitely wouldn't benefit from anything related to k8s are diving into it. What I am trying to show by these examples is that things can move fast, very fast, and that in our industry there are no such thing as well-entrenched tools. Yarn got adopted within a year above npm, the "default node package manager". Everything is always up for grabs, if you can show the benefits, however small they are. And the history aspect of Jira isn't an unsolvable problem, pretty much every single issue tracker in the world offers a Jira import, and losing issue history is far less damaging than it was losing "commit" history when everyone was moving to git back in the days. If a company can show that their alternative to Jira solves a percentage of common complaints against Jira, while offering the same capabilities of scaling that Jira does, people will follow. Nobody wants to deal with crappy products. Especially since the ones suffering the most from Jira are usually the ones in charge of setting up the very processes that Jira is supposed to help with, and to procure the tooling.

cogman10 4y ago
> How about when every single company rewrote their frontend stack in React God I wish that were the case. My company is still rocking Angular unfortunately :( > Or when everyone moved to k8s within 2 years around 2017-2019 That did not happen. k8s got a good share of the market, but it's far from "everyone moved". > What I am trying to show by these examples is that things can move fast, very fast, and that in our industry there are no such thing as well-entrenched tools. The tools you are listing are all dev tools picked, used, and curated by development. Jira isn't a dev tool, it's a product management tool. There's a major difference between tools that devs can pick and choose and tools that an organization gets to pick and choose. Even with your "yarn" example, while it took over it didn't replace "npmjs" as the centralized repository server. Just like gradle still gets it's artifacts primarily from maven central. I'll go back to something I said elsewhere. If it's so easy to move and change why is C++ still being written? Why does it remain one of the most popular programming languages even though most people are VERY quick to point out it's major flaws. Even though other better alternatives exist (Rust, Nim, D, etc). > losing issue history is far less damaging than it was losing "commit" history when everyone was moving to git back in the days. Assuming you like everyone else went from svn->git I don't see how you'd have lost commit history. I personally converted a BUNCH of repos to git and didn't see any cases of lost history.
- toshaga 4y ago
  > I'll go back to something I said elsewhere. If it's so easy to move and change why is C++ still being written? Because C++ is very very much a living and, most importantly, evolving language. It gives modern conveniences, while benefiting from existing user base and maturity. Alternatives may be better for specific emerging use cases but can’t just yet challenge the incumbent for the reasons above. One day C++ may have to yield, but at the moment it’s been actively renewed and the effort to migrate codebases to a new standard is smaller than porting onto entirely new language.

by axlee 4y ago

cogman10 4y ago

> How about when every single company rewrote their frontend stack in React God I wish that were the case. My company is still rocking Angular unfortunately :( > Or when everyone moved to k8s within 2 years around 2017-2019 That did not happen. k8s got a good share of the market, but it's far from "everyone moved". > What I am trying to show by these examples is that things can move fast, very fast, and that in our industry there are no such thing as well-entrenched tools. The tools you are listing are all dev tools picked, used, and curated by development. Jira isn't a dev tool, it's a product management tool. There's a major difference between tools that devs can pick and choose and tools that an organization gets to pick and choose. Even with your "yarn" example, while it took over it didn't replace "npmjs" as the centralized repository server. Just like gradle still gets it's artifacts primarily from maven central. I'll go back to something I said elsewhere. If it's so easy to move and change why is C++ still being written? Why does it remain one of the most popular programming languages even though most people are VERY quick to point out it's major flaws. Even though other better alternatives exist (Rust, Nim, D, etc). > losing issue history is far less damaging than it was losing "commit" history when everyone was moving to git back in the days. Assuming you like everyone else went from svn->git I don't see how you'd have lost commit history. I personally converted a BUNCH of repos to git and didn't see any cases of lost history.

toshaga 4y ago
> I'll go back to something I said elsewhere. If it's so easy to move and change why is C++ still being written? Because C++ is very very much a living and, most importantly, evolving language. It gives modern conveniences, while benefiting from existing user base and maturity. Alternatives may be better for specific emerging use cases but can’t just yet challenge the incumbent for the reasons above. One day C++ may have to yield, but at the moment it’s been actively renewed and the effort to migrate codebases to a new standard is smaller than porting onto entirely new language.