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Who is making these rules about what jokes can be made, and by what mechanism are they enforced? I've never seen anything about that. There are social conseque
by giraffe_lady 4y ago
Who is making these rules about what jokes can be made, and by what mechanism are they enforced? I've never seen anything about that.
There are social consequences to making certain kind of jokes. Like there always have been? But which kinds of jokes and what sort and degree of consequences are changing.
You can have an issue with that and resist it, but the mechanics of this institution are not new. These unspoken rules about who can say what and what will happen if you transgress them are the invisible infrastructure of social connection and ultimately society. The rules are changing fast and by different players than is traditional, but the fact that there are rules and consequences for violating them is as old as us.
- mc32 4y agoIn the US, a long list of comedians have fought hard through the decades, first radio, then TV to be able to tell risky jokes, naughty jokes, anti-establishment jokes, uncouth jokes, etc. They all fought against the prudes and establishment culture back then. Should they not have fought and won those victories? Should they have remained in vaudevillian repertoires only?
- kelseyfrog 4y agoEtc is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Racist, homophobic, sexist, and transphobic jokes are really what we're here to talk about. Was it an intentional omission or an accident? Just curious.
- mc32 4y agoLenny Bruce, Redd Foxx, Richard Prior, etc. Comedians of old engaged in all of the above. I do not know a comedian that existed prior to 10 years ago that did not have some sort of sexist joke (Obviously Andy Clay takes the cake, I think), short of maybe some pretentious super wholesome "comedian" doing "wholesome jokes"
- kelseyfrog 4y agoLet me summarize and repeat the argument to see if I'm getting it right. Because jokes were used to test boundaries in the past, there is no boundary that should not be tested today?
- mc32 4y agoI'm not a comedian. I cannot tell a joke. I would bet most comedians 10, 5 years ago would have said definitely yes. They probably would still say so today -but given the coals they have to walk on, you may find some trepidation amongst some.
- kelseyfrog 4y agoThis is confusing. Is it that you agree with the comedian's logic or is it different from your own?
- foxes 4y agoTechbros seething lmao, easier to just downvote the person who clearly doesn’t understand that freer muh speeeeech freeer the people. How dare there be consequences for any action, I just want to say anything and get away with it, like you know etc.
- DiggyJohnson 4y agoYes. We should be able to joke about those things. Your comment has an extremely sinister tone, I’m not sure if that was intended.
- kelseyfrog 4y agoSorry, but I don't take ******* people like you seriously, lol. Just joking, of course. Hope this illustrates the point :)
- DiggyJohnson 4y agoI think your joke is fine, I just don't understand it because you censored the punchline. It literally illustrates my point? I don't like people making bad jokes about "people like" me, but in about 45 seconds I'll be over it.
- lamp987 4y agoThats just the prude rules of current point in history. Each era has its own concept of ideological heresy.
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- kelseyfrog 4y agoUnfortunately using outrage to inform comedy doesn't discern between honest critique and genuine bigotry.
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- earleybird 4y agoAre you saying that the old "prudes" (for example) are the new folks who would "cancel"?