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> will offer two-, three- and four-bedroom apartments for between $1,186 and $2,805 a month Honest question: why does affordable housing needs to be 3 or 4 bed
by yumraj 4y ago
> will offer two-, three- and four-bedroom apartments for between $1,186 and $2,805 a month
Honest question: why does affordable housing needs to be 3 or 4 bedroom? Shouldn't they be mostly Studio and 1-bedroom apartments, and at most, 2-bedroom, that too rarely?
4-bedroom sounds like a luxury apartment and not an affordable apartment.
- djohnston 4y agoI dont think bedroom # equates with luxury as long as n < 5.
- yumraj 4y agoIt can be a matter of perspective. I go by the necessity -> comfort -> luxury scale. Where, necessity = roof over head. Comfort = a warm, safe place with simple amenities, people sharing bedroom and so on. So, for me, Luxury = anything beyond that, as in no one shares bedroom, guest bedroom and so on.
- RyEgswuCsn 4y agoJust because a beggar is asking for food doesn't mean he is expected to accept even spoiled food, don't you think?
- lupire 4y agoGiven budget constraints, better to feed two people a bowl of beans than one person a steak, I think.
- RyEgswuCsn 4y agoBetter have one happy person vote for you than having two unhappy persons voting for your opponent.
- leetcrew 4y agohaving roommates is not akin to eating spoiled food?
- Retric 4y agoFamilies aren’t limited to just a couple with a single kid.
- bombcar 4y agoAnd even if you allow that there are families with more kids, three bedrooms is kind of a minimum if you put the parents in one, the girls in the second, and the boys in the third. Of course, for many people today kids sharing a bedroom is tantamount to child abuse.
- yumraj 4y ago> Of course, for many people today kids sharing a bedroom is tantamount to child abuse. Well, then they should not be looking for affordable (as in subsidized by other taxpayers) housing, no?
- bombcar 4y agoThe problem comes when the legislature decides that it literally is child abuse, and mandates things like minimum bedroom laws (usually aimed at things like frat houses, but the effect can end up the same).
- thesuitonym 4y agoThat's easy to say until you consider that the people who need subsidized housing are also the people least likely to be able to attain contraceptives and abortion services.
- msbarnett 4y agoNot sleeping a family of 4 to a single room, 19th Century New York Tenement Style, is considered a luxury now?
- yumraj 4y agoFor the record, I was referring to 3-4 bedroom, and not 1-2 bedrooms. If one is looking for subsidized housing, isn't kids sharing room a reasonable compromise? Regarding 3-4 bedroom, yes for most of the world they will be luxury.
- msbarnett 4y ago> For most of the world, yes. This is not really true for most values of "most", and the places it is true, the culture tends to be much different than you would find in California, eg) you are generally not looking at children being assigned hours of homework to perform in which they have no space to work on it, nor ability to work on it without distraction while the rest of the family lives on top of them. > If one is looking for subsidized housing, isn't that a reasonable compromise? You may want to look up the history of tenements in the US. Broadly speaking the answer turns out to be: no, this is not a good compromise.
- lupire 4y agohow many bedrooma should a famiy with 4 kids have? What if a grandparent or two lives there? More bedrooms meaning more people makes kitchen and bath more efficient.
- alex_young 4y agoAccording to the USICH [1] there are 271,528 students experiencing homelessness in California. Presumably some of these students would benefit from living in units like these. [1] https://www.usich.gov/homelessness-statistics/ca/ https://www.usich.gov/homelessness-statistics/ca/
- jseliger 4y agoThe only affordable housing is lots of housing: https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/bigideas/to-improve-housing-affordability-we-need-better-alignment-of-zoning-taxes-and-subsidies/ https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/bigideas/to-improve-hou.... From there, people should be able to decide for themselves; "decide for yourself how much housing unit you want to buy" was common, until the '70s: https://jakeseliger.com/2015/12/27/why-did-cities-freeze-in-the-1970s/ https://jakeseliger.com/2015/12/27/why-did-cities-freeze-in-...
- robonerd 4y agoLuxury relative to what, exactly? I think people in America are generally accustomed to one-bedroom-per-child; that's the standard our popular media promotes. I grew up in a family of 5 with a 3 bedroom house; meaning two of us were always sharing a bedroom even as teenagers (we switched up who was sharing every year, meaning none of us had a fixed bedroom.) I think by American standards that was not entirely atypical, but certainly short of luxurious. But you seem to think 3 bedrooms qualifies as luxurious, and don't seem to make any consideration for family size. In some countries, cultures or communities, a family of ten might be living in a single bedroom. Maybe anything more spacious than that should be your standard for luxury. Or further maybe; any shelter that keeps you dry is the bare minimum. If it keeps you dry and warm, that's luxury. Why not? If you get chilly you can use a blanket; furnaces are luxury. Do you really need anything more than a primitive FEMA tent? Running water plumbed straight into your home is a luxury, you can bring a water bucket to a community spigot every day. If you think that's too much work you're just being entitled.
- fshbbdssbbgdd 4y agoMore bedrooms means the apartment can house more people. While the entire unit is more expensive, it’s probably cheaper per-bedroom. A four-bedroom affordable housing unit could be occupied by a multi-generational household, or maybe a bunch of young adult friends.
- lupire 4y agoLegally, a bedroom sleeps at most 2 people.
- Maursault 4y agoFederal occupancy standards require landlords to allow at least 2 persons per bedroom, not limit it to 2.
- idiotsecant 4y ago>Shouldn't they be mostly Studio and 1-bedroom apartments No. It's not an intuitive result, but it makes sense when you think about it. Bedrooms are cheap to build. Kitchens and bathrooms are expensive to build. Building 3 units with a total of 3 bedroom, 3 kitchens, and 3 bathrooms is a much less efficient setup than building a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom unit. If you incentivize people to have roomates or co-habitate with extended family by building bigger suites you can make housing cheaper overall.
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- ruined 4y agoit's single-bed apartments that are the luxury. who do you know that lives alone except single young professionals? everyone else has family or roommates.
- standardUser 4y agoThere are occupancy requirements. One person cannot rent a 2-bedroom, for example.