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A libertarian dream would have free markets, and the article above shows that whatever market that Apple operates in is nothing like a free market

stjohnswarts 4y ago
It still is a free market, you can buy an android if you don't want apple's privacy "guarantees"
- seoaeu 4y ago
  “The USSR is a free market, you can just move to America if you want to buy something that isn’t for sale there”
  - gopher_space 4y ago
    I don't get the analogy. Can you break it down for me?
    - woojoo666 4y ago
      The cost of switching matters (and is talked about in the article as well). If there is a significant cost, then that means less competition, and it makes it hard to categorize them as the same market. Compare the friction of switching between a Samsung TV and a Sony one, vs the friction of switching between an iPhone and an Android. Most people wouldn't mind the former, but would mind the latter
    - aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
      “Using an iPhone is basically like the Gulag” - HackerNews
    - seoaeu 4y ago
      If an iPhone owner wants to use an app that Apple has banned from the App Store, they cannot simply purchase it. Instead they must make the widely disproportionate move of spending many hundreds of dollars on an android phone. In practice almost no one will switch phones just for a single app. Similarly, a resident of a communist country could theoretically leave and buy things elsewhere, but in practice almost no one will because of the high overhead of moving countries.
    - mint2 4y ago
      I can only assume they mean Apple will send you and your family to a gulag if they catch you leaving or your neighbors says you don’t have a picture of Steve over your mantle. Otherwise if that is not what literally is happening, that comment is really trivializing the tragedy of what happened to millions.
  - malshe 4y ago
    What a terrible analogy. You are saying it’s as easy to move to the US from other countries as changing your phone?
    - woojoo666 4y ago
      They are just pointing out that friction to change matters, and if the friction is high enough, it's not really a free market
mint2 4y ago
Apple’s monopolies and monopolies are the natural “be careful of what you wish for” of libertarianism. Without regulation and government action monopolies are a guarantee. (And yes with regulation they are possible but can be broken up with enough pressure)
- Nasrudith 4y ago
  A field so monopolized that every publisher of moderate size is attempting to replicate it? The assumptions for monopolies of the past was that there was a size of investment which meant nobody would throw money at trying to compete at a loss. For better or worse we are beyond that with venture capital, demonstrated by the plagues of foo-sharing and atreaming services. Frankly it seems that people think that tantruming over not being able to have it both ways and throwing the "M" word meaninglessly is how you get what you want, with sense and fact not parties to the conversation.

stjohnswarts 4y ago

It still is a free market, you can buy an android if you don't want apple's privacy "guarantees"

seoaeu 4y ago
“The USSR is a free market, you can just move to America if you want to buy something that isn’t for sale there”
- gopher_space 4y ago
  I don't get the analogy. Can you break it down for me?
  - woojoo666 4y ago
    The cost of switching matters (and is talked about in the article as well). If there is a significant cost, then that means less competition, and it makes it hard to categorize them as the same market. Compare the friction of switching between a Samsung TV and a Sony one, vs the friction of switching between an iPhone and an Android. Most people wouldn't mind the former, but would mind the latter
  - aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
    “Using an iPhone is basically like the Gulag” - HackerNews
  - seoaeu 4y ago
    If an iPhone owner wants to use an app that Apple has banned from the App Store, they cannot simply purchase it. Instead they must make the widely disproportionate move of spending many hundreds of dollars on an android phone. In practice almost no one will switch phones just for a single app. Similarly, a resident of a communist country could theoretically leave and buy things elsewhere, but in practice almost no one will because of the high overhead of moving countries.
  - mint2 4y ago
    I can only assume they mean Apple will send you and your family to a gulag if they catch you leaving or your neighbors says you don’t have a picture of Steve over your mantle. Otherwise if that is not what literally is happening, that comment is really trivializing the tragedy of what happened to millions.
- malshe 4y ago
  What a terrible analogy. You are saying it’s as easy to move to the US from other countries as changing your phone?
  - woojoo666 4y ago
    They are just pointing out that friction to change matters, and if the friction is high enough, it's not really a free market

mint2 4y ago

Apple’s monopolies and monopolies are the natural “be careful of what you wish for” of libertarianism. Without regulation and government action monopolies are a guarantee. (And yes with regulation they are possible but can be broken up with enough pressure)

Nasrudith 4y ago
A field so monopolized that every publisher of moderate size is attempting to replicate it? The assumptions for monopolies of the past was that there was a size of investment which meant nobody would throw money at trying to compete at a loss. For better or worse we are beyond that with venture capital, demonstrated by the plagues of foo-sharing and atreaming services. Frankly it seems that people think that tantruming over not being able to have it both ways and throwing the "M" word meaninglessly is how you get what you want, with sense and fact not parties to the conversation.