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I'll ask you the reverse. What proof is there we absolutely need all this to function? If people are so sure of this, surely they can substantiate it with more

I'll ask you the reverse. What proof is there we absolutely need all this to function? If people are so sure of this, surely they can substantiate it with more than just rationality. If the similarities are fine, just pull that information from the other disciplines you insist know better than the "special snowflakes". >Why does engineer or constructor worker understand that you need planning to align thousands of people over many years to build a great big thing You're conflating "needing to align thousands of people" with "needing a fancy system which pulls everyone in its web to deal with multiple times a day". If anything, construction shows just how little ICs need to know to function. You don't boggle your construction workers with bureaucracy, you take it away and let architects, managers and foremen deal with it.

urthor 4y ago
If you've worked in large construction, you'll realize just how many project managers large projects need to function. There are an incredible amount of project managers running from place to place on a construction project keeping teams in line. Construction work, design blueprints, government regulator, there are SO many teams and SO many project managers running between them. JIRA is absolutely a net positive in that environment. A centralized system like JIRA alleviates that.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  You haven't addressed the part where the ICs have to be part of the system so thoroughly. You've only addressed that project managers need to communicate with one another and with their teams, and you've only done so by using anecdotal evidence, before drawing a conclusion that JIRA is a net positive. Again, give some actual proof. It's about time we stop clashing rationalities and face the music. If it's this easy to come to a "rational conclusion", it shouldn't be much harder to pull evidence.

urthor 4y ago

If you've worked in large construction, you'll realize just how many project managers large projects need to function. There are an incredible amount of project managers running from place to place on a construction project keeping teams in line. Construction work, design blueprints, government regulator, there are SO many teams and SO many project managers running between them. JIRA is absolutely a net positive in that environment. A centralized system like JIRA alleviates that.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
You haven't addressed the part where the ICs have to be part of the system so thoroughly. You've only addressed that project managers need to communicate with one another and with their teams, and you've only done so by using anecdotal evidence, before drawing a conclusion that JIRA is a net positive. Again, give some actual proof. It's about time we stop clashing rationalities and face the music. If it's this easy to come to a "rational conclusion", it shouldn't be much harder to pull evidence.