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I'm really really curiuos who will win this bet. I also have a htc vive pro + wireless transmitter + highend pc and i don't think at all that this will replace

I'm really really curiuos who will win this bet. I also have a htc vive pro + wireless transmitter + highend pc and i don't think at all that this will replace a normal monitor setup on a table. Why? Because wearing a headset on your head is just cumbersome. I don't think anyone would ever sit in any outdoor setup with a VR headset on their heads because it looks idiotic, it ruins your hair and its too expensive to let it lay around. And at home? At home people stoped wearing pants why would they give up a good display for a headset?

lostmsu 4y ago
> because it looks idiotic This is exactly what people thought of 5+ inch phone screens, and now nobody cares.
- dylan604 4y ago
  Except with a 5in phone screen, you still have some sort of situational awareness of people walking up on you whether you choose to ignore that or not is totally different than being in a headset where you have none. I keep seeing ads/promos for VR with people on a train/subway in a VR headset. I hope you don't mind having the rest of your stuff taken from you while you crush it in what ever game you're playing on the subway
  - _carbyau_ 4y ago
    Yup. This is why I think that if VR goes mainstream and is used everywhere it'll actually be AR. Real world with the AR "Killer App" - whatever that is. Google Glass will (sadly) be accepted by everyone in society eventually. <s> Alexa/Siri: The optimal carriage for the train you are taking will stop 12 paces to your left. whoosh... screeech! Alexa/Siri: Enter the door to board the train. Alexa/Siri: The person seated 3 metres in front was recently given a 1 star Co-Rider review with the notes:"Loud shitty music." Alexa/Siri: This person approaching you has been flagged for viol.... </s> But it doesn't really matter. Ads will ruin everything. They always do.
    - dylan604 4y ago
      Yeah, the Terminator AR view was always the best use to me. Instantly image rec to find the names of people in your viewport type of stuff. Adding turn by turn arrows while walking a city/mall/etc. Then, Black Mirror comes along and ruins it for everyone, because of course people will use it exactly as they proposed it could go. After seeing that, I don't want any part of it. Is there a rule of the internet/tech/life that says for any good use, people will first take it to the dark places thereby ruining any potential good usage first?
    - seydor 4y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs
  - pharke 4y ago
    3 words, full color passthrough. Meta includes sample footage of this in their demos so it's definitely coming with Cambria. While it would be possible to use a standalone headset out in public, I don't think that's the main goal. The hardware belongs in a home or an office where you have a dedicated play space tailored to whatever your use case is. Asking for something that people can use on the train on their way to work is trying to run before we can walk. VR headsets will replace desktop displays first because why wouldn't you want a device that can emulate any size, shape, or number of displays instantly with no cable management or mounting hardware and allow those displays to be visible whether you're at your desk, on the couch, grabbing a fresh cup of coffee or doing some stretches on your yoga mat.
    - dylan604 4y ago
      >Asking for something that people can use on the train on their To be clear, I'm not asking for anything. This is from their own PR that I've seen this advertised as a use case.
- fourthark 4y ago
  Except you are making yourself look idiotic instead of just holding something that looks idiotic.
- xtracto 4y ago
  Similarly about 3D glasses and...
vimy 4y ago
It will just be a normal pair of glasses in 10 years. VR is in the pre-iPhone smartphone era.
- verdverm 4y ago
  I would smart glasses, where I can see through to the real world, rather than pass through like the VR devives. i.e. something like the hololens or spectacles
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    So basically like the Google glass ukelele demo that never came to pass. It's getting there though. Vuzix have made really nice flat AR displays for their Blade. They just don't have a clue how to sell them afaik.
  - belval 4y ago
    The Quest 2 already has passthrough. When you exit your guardian, which is an area you defined as "safe", it will use the external cameras to essentially act as thick glasses. Not to say that it is some kind of blissful experience, but it works reasonably well to go get a glass of water.
    - verdverm 4y ago
      The original Quest has passthrough as well, this is exactly what I don't want you gain IRL latency for reduced pixels
- LegitShady 4y ago
  I don't think it will be that far along in 10 years, or if it will, it will cost $5000 and won't see widespread adoption.
- charcircuit 4y ago
  Enjoy your terrible FoV. I'll to take my nonglasses form factor immersive headset instead.
encryptluks2 4y ago
Because a headset could become a better display, and while the technology may not be perfected.. if it was AR, it opens new possibilities.
GekkePrutser 4y ago
> I don't think anyone would ever sit in any outdoor setup with a VR headset on their heads because it looks idiotic, it ruins your hair and its too expensive to let it lay around. Not something I care about in both counts. And I don't think people care. In fact I was at a trade show this weekend where someone was playing a Q2 game and everyone looked really interested. And messing up my hair, well I hardly have any :)
stackbutterflow 4y ago
because it looks idiotic Same as when people started talking to their bluetooth headset while walking on the street. It used to be disturbing and idiotic but no one bats an eye now.
- Helitico 4y ago
  It is still irritating and not a lot of people do it.

lostmsu 4y ago

> because it looks idiotic This is exactly what people thought of 5+ inch phone screens, and now nobody cares.

dylan604 4y ago
Except with a 5in phone screen, you still have some sort of situational awareness of people walking up on you whether you choose to ignore that or not is totally different than being in a headset where you have none. I keep seeing ads/promos for VR with people on a train/subway in a VR headset. I hope you don't mind having the rest of your stuff taken from you while you crush it in what ever game you're playing on the subway
- _carbyau_ 4y ago
  Yup. This is why I think that if VR goes mainstream and is used everywhere it'll actually be AR. Real world with the AR "Killer App" - whatever that is. Google Glass will (sadly) be accepted by everyone in society eventually. <s> Alexa/Siri: The optimal carriage for the train you are taking will stop 12 paces to your left. whoosh... screeech! Alexa/Siri: Enter the door to board the train. Alexa/Siri: The person seated 3 metres in front was recently given a 1 star Co-Rider review with the notes:"Loud shitty music." Alexa/Siri: This person approaching you has been flagged for viol.... </s> But it doesn't really matter. Ads will ruin everything. They always do.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    Yeah, the Terminator AR view was always the best use to me. Instantly image rec to find the names of people in your viewport type of stuff. Adding turn by turn arrows while walking a city/mall/etc. Then, Black Mirror comes along and ruins it for everyone, because of course people will use it exactly as they proposed it could go. After seeing that, I don't want any part of it. Is there a rule of the internet/tech/life that says for any good use, people will first take it to the dark places thereby ruining any potential good usage first?
  - seydor 4y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs
- pharke 4y ago
  3 words, full color passthrough. Meta includes sample footage of this in their demos so it's definitely coming with Cambria. While it would be possible to use a standalone headset out in public, I don't think that's the main goal. The hardware belongs in a home or an office where you have a dedicated play space tailored to whatever your use case is. Asking for something that people can use on the train on their way to work is trying to run before we can walk. VR headsets will replace desktop displays first because why wouldn't you want a device that can emulate any size, shape, or number of displays instantly with no cable management or mounting hardware and allow those displays to be visible whether you're at your desk, on the couch, grabbing a fresh cup of coffee or doing some stretches on your yoga mat.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    >Asking for something that people can use on the train on their To be clear, I'm not asking for anything. This is from their own PR that I've seen this advertised as a use case.
fourthark 4y ago
Except you are making yourself look idiotic instead of just holding something that looks idiotic.
xtracto 4y ago
Similarly about 3D glasses and...

vimy 4y ago

It will just be a normal pair of glasses in 10 years. VR is in the pre-iPhone smartphone era.

verdverm 4y ago
I would smart glasses, where I can see through to the real world, rather than pass through like the VR devives. i.e. something like the hololens or spectacles
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  So basically like the Google glass ukelele demo that never came to pass. It's getting there though. Vuzix have made really nice flat AR displays for their Blade. They just don't have a clue how to sell them afaik.
- belval 4y ago
  The Quest 2 already has passthrough. When you exit your guardian, which is an area you defined as "safe", it will use the external cameras to essentially act as thick glasses. Not to say that it is some kind of blissful experience, but it works reasonably well to go get a glass of water.
  - verdverm 4y ago
    The original Quest has passthrough as well, this is exactly what I don't want you gain IRL latency for reduced pixels
LegitShady 4y ago
I don't think it will be that far along in 10 years, or if it will, it will cost $5000 and won't see widespread adoption.
charcircuit 4y ago
Enjoy your terrible FoV. I'll to take my nonglasses form factor immersive headset instead.

encryptluks2 4y ago

Because a headset could become a better display, and while the technology may not be perfected.. if it was AR, it opens new possibilities.

GekkePrutser 4y ago

> I don't think anyone would ever sit in any outdoor setup with a VR headset on their heads because it looks idiotic, it ruins your hair and its too expensive to let it lay around. Not something I care about in both counts. And I don't think people care. In fact I was at a trade show this weekend where someone was playing a Q2 game and everyone looked really interested. And messing up my hair, well I hardly have any :)

stackbutterflow 4y ago

because it looks idiotic Same as when people started talking to their bluetooth headset while walking on the street. It used to be disturbing and idiotic but no one bats an eye now.

Helitico 4y ago
It is still irritating and not a lot of people do it.