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Good, experienced people would usually have built a decent network for themselves over their career. As seniority grows, you will find them less and less applyi

Good, experienced people would usually have built a decent network for themselves over their career. As seniority grows, you will find them less and less applying for new jobs, and more and more relying on their networks for new work. And if they are good, they very likely are sitting on open offers from well known ex-colleagues that they could take up at anytime. You will do much better to tap in through your own networks, find suitable candidates and reach out to them directly to get them interested.

AndyNemmity 4y ago
This is a great point. I cannot imagine doing a real interview at this point. I decided to do one the last time I was job hunting just to see what the world has to offer. I was interviewed for a position, and was clearly perfect, but I couldn't get that across to more than half of the people interviewing me. I had some people in my corner, but others were concerned I wasn't technical enough which is hilarious. Why would I subject myself to that? I can get a job in a heartbeat from anyone who has ever worked with me in the past. It's a demeaning and dumb process interviewing with people you don't know, when you interview people who know you, they just pitch you on why you should join them. They don't even ask me questions, because they know I am going to be one of if not the top contributor. They've seen it, they don't have to guess on if I happen to forget syntax on a sql command because I am not focused on sql at the moment.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > cannot imagine doing a real interview at this point Eh, if someone refers me for a job they may need others’ buy in. The take-home technical assignment, on the other hand, would be a show stopper. That’s consulting. I charge for that.
  - AndyNemmity 4y ago
    Sure, I've had to have a phone conversation for additional buy in, but it hasn't critically changed the matter. Although by "real interview", I was indicating interviewing with people I didn't work with in the past. I wasn't referring to additional phone conversations for buy in.
- ransom1538 4y ago
  Yeah at startups we called those people "pushons". Basically, the CTO would say hey, "this is eric, s/he starts tomorrow". Mercenaries. Pros. No interviews, no questions, no linked ins. Usually "pushons" turn into top performers. With a 6 month runway and cash being burned - we didn't have much time for fizzbuzz.
  - AndyNemmity 4y ago
    Exactly. There is no hiring better than the ones you have experience with already. You know what you're getting.
angarg12 4y ago
This should be the top comment. Many senior, great engineers aren't looking, and when they do, they usually don't just apply to job postings. You need to overhaul your hiring process for Senior+ folks. Tap onto your network, encourage existing employees to refer candidates, or otherwise just reach to prospect candidates.
- AndyNemmity 4y ago
  This is the right answer. There are a level of people that exist as Senior+ people that anyone they've worked for or with would take in a heartbeat. They'd move mountains to have you. Those people are not part of your talent pool if you put up barriers to entry for them. I understand those barriers exist to keep unethical people out, but that's just the trade off you have to accept with barriers in. You're not going to get top class people.

AndyNemmity 4y ago

This is a great point. I cannot imagine doing a real interview at this point. I decided to do one the last time I was job hunting just to see what the world has to offer. I was interviewed for a position, and was clearly perfect, but I couldn't get that across to more than half of the people interviewing me. I had some people in my corner, but others were concerned I wasn't technical enough which is hilarious. Why would I subject myself to that? I can get a job in a heartbeat from anyone who has ever worked with me in the past. It's a demeaning and dumb process interviewing with people you don't know, when you interview people who know you, they just pitch you on why you should join them. They don't even ask me questions, because they know I am going to be one of if not the top contributor. They've seen it, they don't have to guess on if I happen to forget syntax on a sql command because I am not focused on sql at the moment.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> cannot imagine doing a real interview at this point Eh, if someone refers me for a job they may need others’ buy in. The take-home technical assignment, on the other hand, would be a show stopper. That’s consulting. I charge for that.
- AndyNemmity 4y ago
  Sure, I've had to have a phone conversation for additional buy in, but it hasn't critically changed the matter. Although by "real interview", I was indicating interviewing with people I didn't work with in the past. I wasn't referring to additional phone conversations for buy in.
ransom1538 4y ago
Yeah at startups we called those people "pushons". Basically, the CTO would say hey, "this is eric, s/he starts tomorrow". Mercenaries. Pros. No interviews, no questions, no linked ins. Usually "pushons" turn into top performers. With a 6 month runway and cash being burned - we didn't have much time for fizzbuzz.
- AndyNemmity 4y ago
  Exactly. There is no hiring better than the ones you have experience with already. You know what you're getting.

angarg12 4y ago

This should be the top comment. Many senior, great engineers aren't looking, and when they do, they usually don't just apply to job postings. You need to overhaul your hiring process for Senior+ folks. Tap onto your network, encourage existing employees to refer candidates, or otherwise just reach to prospect candidates.

AndyNemmity 4y ago
This is the right answer. There are a level of people that exist as Senior+ people that anyone they've worked for or with would take in a heartbeat. They'd move mountains to have you. Those people are not part of your talent pool if you put up barriers to entry for them. I understand those barriers exist to keep unethical people out, but that's just the trade off you have to accept with barriers in. You're not going to get top class people.