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> We"? Which "we"? The "we" that is currently going through the Democratic process of passing laws which are almost certainly going to pass. > "We" don't want

by stale2002 4y ago

> We"? Which "we"? The "we" that is currently going through the Democratic process of passing laws which are almost certainly going to pass. > "We" don't want you to tell us Feel free to vote for a different lawmaker then. Or that is what you should have done, because it is too late in Europe already. They are going to pass the digital markets act. Go participate in democracy if you disagree.

ericmay 4y ago
> Go participate in democracy if you disagree. Thanks - this actually inspired me to write to my senator and congressional rep at the federal level in the US to not regulate Apple or its ability to decide what content goes on the iOS App Store. I love the iPhone and App Store, and Apple has earned my trust with their stewardship of it, and there is no logical reason that they should be regulated differently than any other marketplace. Any proposed changes or regulations that I've seen that target the iOS App Store are bad for me personally. I'd actually like to see us pass a digital markets act or similar that guarantees Apple (and Google, etc.) stewardship over their products and platforms. Certainly I'm one of many voices (honestly outside of a place like HN or tech journals nobody gives even the slightest shit about what Apple does on the App Store) here, but I'll make sure my voice is heard to the extent that it makes sense to engage here.
- ohgodplsno 4y ago
  Calling for serfdom certainly is an interesting take. Remember to ask Tim Cook if he needs you to shine his shoes next time
  - MichaelZuo 4y ago
    Ad-hominems undermine your argument and reinforce the opponent's.
    - ohgodplsno 4y ago
      You having failed rethorics and basic literature classes does not make your arguments more valid. This is not how ad-hominems work, no matter how many times you've read it on Substack.
      - MichaelZuo 4y ago
        I have a policy of disengaging from low effort trolling. Though I do hope you reflect on why low effort trolling brings down the vibe on HN.
        ohgodplsno 4y ago
        The only vibe there is on HN is overly confident tech bros speaking on subjects they know nothing about.
- stale2002 4y ago
  > this actually inspired me to write to my senator and congressional rep You could do this yes. But I think efforts to fights these laws will fail. The digital markets act is already almost guaranteed to pass in Europe, and once Europe has a law on this, the effects will go global. Whats Apple going to do? Pull out of all of Europe? Do a failed attempt to segregate the market, by making an unlocked EU phone, and a locked USA one (What happens when people import the phones? Sounds pretty easy to get around...)? Once the floodgates are open, you aren't going to be able to prevent people from installing whatever app store they want on their own phone. > that I've seen that target the iOS App Store are bad for me personally. Fortunately, you'll still have the choice to only install the iOS app store if you want. You just won't be able to prevent other people from installing whatever app store they want on their phone.
  - ericmay 4y ago
    > The digital markets act is already almost guaranteed to pass in Europe, and once Europe has a law on this, the effects will go global. Sort of. I think you are underestimating Apple's ability to get around these laws, or at least section off the worst aspects of them so that using an iPhone sucks only in Europe and not elsewhere. In the US we may see laws introduced, but such laws (thankfully!) will be neutered as they're bad for citizens anyway. > Fortunately, you'll still have the choice to only install the iOS app store if you want. Yes, but I'm not sure you understand how this affects the ecosystem. The benefits you think you will incur, will not come to fruition. Instead, everyone will just be worse off except other multi-national American and Chinese internet companies. Privacy benefits are the first that come to mind, and such benefits that Apple has effectively collectively bargained for on behalf of users will be lost. Unfortunately, this will disproportionately affect the less well-off too because they won't be able to afford to pay to avoid cryptoscams, OnlyFans, and insidious adware. > You just won't be able to prevent other people from installing whatever app store they want on their phone. That's a product feature. If you want multiple app stores you can already do that on Android. It's like buying an Android phone and asking where your iCloud subscription is and then demanding that Apple offer it. Totally different product.
    - 4y ago

ericmay 4y ago

> Go participate in democracy if you disagree. Thanks - this actually inspired me to write to my senator and congressional rep at the federal level in the US to not regulate Apple or its ability to decide what content goes on the iOS App Store. I love the iPhone and App Store, and Apple has earned my trust with their stewardship of it, and there is no logical reason that they should be regulated differently than any other marketplace. Any proposed changes or regulations that I've seen that target the iOS App Store are bad for me personally. I'd actually like to see us pass a digital markets act or similar that guarantees Apple (and Google, etc.) stewardship over their products and platforms. Certainly I'm one of many voices (honestly outside of a place like HN or tech journals nobody gives even the slightest shit about what Apple does on the App Store) here, but I'll make sure my voice is heard to the extent that it makes sense to engage here.

ohgodplsno 4y ago
Calling for serfdom certainly is an interesting take. Remember to ask Tim Cook if he needs you to shine his shoes next time
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  Ad-hominems undermine your argument and reinforce the opponent's.
  - ohgodplsno 4y ago
    You having failed rethorics and basic literature classes does not make your arguments more valid. This is not how ad-hominems work, no matter how many times you've read it on Substack.
    - MichaelZuo 4y ago
      I have a policy of disengaging from low effort trolling. Though I do hope you reflect on why low effort trolling brings down the vibe on HN.
      - ohgodplsno 4y ago
        The only vibe there is on HN is overly confident tech bros speaking on subjects they know nothing about.
stale2002 4y ago
> this actually inspired me to write to my senator and congressional rep You could do this yes. But I think efforts to fights these laws will fail. The digital markets act is already almost guaranteed to pass in Europe, and once Europe has a law on this, the effects will go global. Whats Apple going to do? Pull out of all of Europe? Do a failed attempt to segregate the market, by making an unlocked EU phone, and a locked USA one (What happens when people import the phones? Sounds pretty easy to get around...)? Once the floodgates are open, you aren't going to be able to prevent people from installing whatever app store they want on their own phone. > that I've seen that target the iOS App Store are bad for me personally. Fortunately, you'll still have the choice to only install the iOS app store if you want. You just won't be able to prevent other people from installing whatever app store they want on their phone.
- ericmay 4y ago
  > The digital markets act is already almost guaranteed to pass in Europe, and once Europe has a law on this, the effects will go global. Sort of. I think you are underestimating Apple's ability to get around these laws, or at least section off the worst aspects of them so that using an iPhone sucks only in Europe and not elsewhere. In the US we may see laws introduced, but such laws (thankfully!) will be neutered as they're bad for citizens anyway. > Fortunately, you'll still have the choice to only install the iOS app store if you want. Yes, but I'm not sure you understand how this affects the ecosystem. The benefits you think you will incur, will not come to fruition. Instead, everyone will just be worse off except other multi-national American and Chinese internet companies. Privacy benefits are the first that come to mind, and such benefits that Apple has effectively collectively bargained for on behalf of users will be lost. Unfortunately, this will disproportionately affect the less well-off too because they won't be able to afford to pay to avoid cryptoscams, OnlyFans, and insidious adware. > You just won't be able to prevent other people from installing whatever app store they want on their phone. That's a product feature. If you want multiple app stores you can already do that on Android. It's like buying an Android phone and asking where your iCloud subscription is and then demanding that Apple offer it. Totally different product.
  - 4y ago