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> - slowing down customer-purchased devices before pushing new devices to the market. Not every Apple user wants, needs or can afford new phone every year or tw

> - slowing down customer-purchased devices before pushing new devices to the market. Not every Apple user wants, needs or can afford new phone every year or two Making this point throws the rest of your comment into question. This isn't at all a fair telling of what happened, it was done to prevent phones from shutting off as the battery got older, not some machiavellian plot to get users to upgrade. > - forcing users into SaaS model via secretive security updates. One can't have secure device (well, secured up-to-date, not saying that fully updated iPhone is secure) without Apple gutting existing software, changing UI/UX and doing whatever they please on the device customer has paid for, against the customer What are you even talking about here? Please give an example > - blocking the possibility to upgrade the OS to previous version. IMO many versions of macOS and iOS were downgrades in comparison to previous ones. We couldn't rollback iPhones and now we can't even install macOS that came with the computer. Just the newest one (at least that's my experience: every installer but the newest one crashes at the very end) I'm fairly certain you can install back to the version a mac was released with, your issues with downgrading sound like a problem on your end, not apple's. As for the phone I'm conflicted. Honestly I think Apple made the right choice is making the updates one-way for security reasons. Maybe now with the secure enclave there is a safe way to allow for "user-approved" downgrades but I don't know enough to say one way or the other. The goal, of course, is to prevent the ability to downgrade a confiscated/stolen device to a version that has a known-exploit to bypass the lockscreen. With how much sensitive data people have on their phones I have a hard time seeing one-way upgrades as anything but a good thing. > - pushing their agendas by forcing EVERY Apple device to download a shitty U2 album because Tim Cook says so. That's what I will remember Tim Cook for the most. It was a failed marketing stunt and people get so worked up about it. Did it really impact your life so negatively? This is what you will remember most about Tim Cook? Ok...

hericium 4y ago
>> forcing users into SaaS model via secretive security updates. > What are you even talking about here? Please give an example There's been news in the recent week that users will be able to patch security holes in their Apple devices without full update. That's a step forward but I'm yet to see this in action. But until this very recent announcement, Apple was always hiding the details of security updates and when user got scared into updating due to security bugs, they got auto-shuffling in iTunes, "upgraded" Notes.app, idiotic UI changes and no longer the possibility to turn off tracking. Remember when there were privacy opt-outs in iOS and macOS installers? I do. > I'm fairly certain you can install back to the version a mac was released with, your issues with downgrading sound like a problem on your end, not apple's. First of all, please don't call installing faster and less problematic software "downgrading". Update and upgrade are completely different things. With Apple, updates are often downgrades. Installing older system was possible until recently but now erasing the disk and putting installation USB stick (that worked previously and wasn't erased/reused for something else) ends up showing random errors at the end of installation. How do you imagine I made this problem on my end by myself? Do you think I somehow broken my MacBook during parts replacement? The only updates that were made, were software updates made by Apple. They renamed and changed OS installers hanging in /Applications/ dir so why wouldn't they screw up USB installer as soon as it's plugged in, too? > The goal, of course, is to prevent the ability to downgrade a confiscated/stolen device to a version that has a known-exploit to bypass the lockscreen. Of course! > It was a failed marketing stunt And the most Cook thing Apple did since Jobs' death. > This is what you will remember most about Tim Cook? Ok... Yup. The man has no taste nor imagination and makes poor choices.
- Jcowell 4y ago
  > Apple was always hiding the details of security updates This is untrue , here for instance is iOS 15.5 Security Update release notes: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213258 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213258 Every update has a learn more button with a link to what security concerns have been addressed.
  - hericium 4y ago
    > For our customers' protection, Apple doesn't disclose, discuss, or confirm security issues until an investigation has occurred and patches or releases are available. Recent releases are listed on the Apple security updates page. The one you pasted is fairly new. I haven't been using their computers for some time now but I remembered that there were no details (or something extremely vague) any time soon after user was suggested to update. That's a good thing and I'm glad to be wrong on this one.
    - Jcowell 4y ago
      Maybe it’s the soon after part but Apple has been doing it since 2003: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

hericium 4y ago

>> forcing users into SaaS model via secretive security updates. > What are you even talking about here? Please give an example There's been news in the recent week that users will be able to patch security holes in their Apple devices without full update. That's a step forward but I'm yet to see this in action. But until this very recent announcement, Apple was always hiding the details of security updates and when user got scared into updating due to security bugs, they got auto-shuffling in iTunes, "upgraded" Notes.app, idiotic UI changes and no longer the possibility to turn off tracking. Remember when there were privacy opt-outs in iOS and macOS installers? I do. > I'm fairly certain you can install back to the version a mac was released with, your issues with downgrading sound like a problem on your end, not apple's. First of all, please don't call installing faster and less problematic software "downgrading". Update and upgrade are completely different things. With Apple, updates are often downgrades. Installing older system was possible until recently but now erasing the disk and putting installation USB stick (that worked previously and wasn't erased/reused for something else) ends up showing random errors at the end of installation. How do you imagine I made this problem on my end by myself? Do you think I somehow broken my MacBook during parts replacement? The only updates that were made, were software updates made by Apple. They renamed and changed OS installers hanging in /Applications/ dir so why wouldn't they screw up USB installer as soon as it's plugged in, too? > The goal, of course, is to prevent the ability to downgrade a confiscated/stolen device to a version that has a known-exploit to bypass the lockscreen. Of course! > It was a failed marketing stunt And the most Cook thing Apple did since Jobs' death. > This is what you will remember most about Tim Cook? Ok... Yup. The man has no taste nor imagination and makes poor choices.

Jcowell 4y ago
> Apple was always hiding the details of security updates This is untrue , here for instance is iOS 15.5 Security Update release notes: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213258 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213258 Every update has a learn more button with a link to what security concerns have been addressed.
- hericium 4y ago
  > For our customers' protection, Apple doesn't disclose, discuss, or confirm security issues until an investigation has occurred and patches or releases are available. Recent releases are listed on the Apple security updates page. The one you pasted is fairly new. I haven't been using their computers for some time now but I remembered that there were no details (or something extremely vague) any time soon after user was suggested to update. That's a good thing and I'm glad to be wrong on this one.
  - Jcowell 4y ago
    Maybe it’s the soon after part but Apple has been doing it since 2003: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222