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Many people learned to add two spaces to the end of each sentence which is now built in to their muscle memory. My father learned to type adding two spaces to t

Many people learned to add two spaces to the end of each sentence which is now built in to their muscle memory. My father learned to type adding two spaces to the end of every sentence, they tried to teach that to me in computer class in middle school but since I had a lot of experience typing already without it I never felt motivated to change my habit to add two spaces. I never really saw the point, in most formats I can't see the two spaces.

wongarsu 4y ago
Two spaces after each sentence comes from typewriters, where it supposedly looked better. On computers it made sense in the time of monospaced fonts, but with "modern" fonts being able to control the amount of space behind punctuation it's largely redundant.
- blowski 4y ago
  Except for when you want to do diffs at the end of a sentence.
avgcorrection 4y ago
Good typography seems to dictate a wider space after a sentence than between words. So this is a typewriter habit to mimic that kind of thing (like the sibling noted).
- jhardy54 4y ago
  Some people might prefer two spaces, but my understanding is that all authorities on “good typography” have standardized on one space: https://practicaltypography.com/one-space-between-sentences.html https://practicaltypography.com/one-space-between-sentences....
  - avgcorrection 4y ago
    Interesting. I definitely respect Butterick’s opinions on typography.
  - harshreality 4y ago
    Rendering engines can do anything they want. The question is about source representation only, for semantic purposes. That has nothing to do with output representation. Even practicaltypography completely misses that distinction. You wouldn't publish anything with line breaks between sentences either. Double spacing or line breaks both work nicely for semantic purposes because html (or markdown which almost always ends up displayed somewhere as html) will ignore it. Any print publishing software in the 21st century should be aware that two spaces in a prose text source is a hint for a sentence break, and treat it appropriately. They often apply custom spacing (slightly more than 1, but nowhere close to 2) between sentences anyway. Without the two spaces, they have to algorithmically guess at sentences. You just won't notice when there are sentence detection errors, unless you're a typography fanatic; who's going to notice 1 space instead of 1.2 or whatever the optimum happens to be?
    - sam_bristow 4y ago
      Maybe I'm just being slow this morning, but isn't the fullstop the indication of the end of the sentence? What extra information is encoded by fullstop + 2 spaces?
      - andreareina 4y ago
        The period also indicates the previous word was abbreviated, or can be used in an ellipsis, probably other situations that aren't top of mind right now.
    - jhardy54 4y ago
      GP: > Good typography seems to dictate a wider space after a sentence than between words. You: > Rendering engines can do anything they want. The question is about source representation only, for semantic purposes. The thread you’ve commented on is literally about rendering, not source representation and semantics. I agree that you can use a double-space as a sentence delimiter, but we’re currently discussing whether it’s “good typography” to render it that way.
      - 4y ago
  - yellowapple 4y ago
    Those authorities on "good typography" are wrong. They prioritize text looking pretty over text conveying information clearly and accurately, and the world is worse off because of it. Two spaces as the sentence delimiter is superior in every way that actually matters, and I will die on that hill.
  - cratermoon 4y ago
    Take a ruler to some text that's traditionally typeset and you'll notice that the width of the whitespace after a sentence end is slightly wider than the space between words. That's either an em space or an en quad. Between-word spacing would be about 1/2 an en. Studies examining whether or not wider spacing between sentences improved readability have been inconclusive. There is one good reason to use two spaces between sentences, at least for text that's going to be processed automatically. It can be very difficult for software to know whether a given punctuation mark is the end of a sentence or something else, like an abbreviation. GNU Emacs, for example, is (or was) coded to recognize sentences by looking for two spaces after a ., ?, or !.[1] 1 https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Sentences.html https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Se...
dubya 4y ago
For me it's a holdover from a high school typing class, but I find it useful. I mostly write in LaTeX which just ignores the extras. On the iphone, two spaces are replaced by a period and a space, which is quite handy.

wongarsu 4y ago

Two spaces after each sentence comes from typewriters, where it supposedly looked better. On computers it made sense in the time of monospaced fonts, but with "modern" fonts being able to control the amount of space behind punctuation it's largely redundant.

blowski 4y ago
Except for when you want to do diffs at the end of a sentence.

avgcorrection 4y ago

Good typography seems to dictate a wider space after a sentence than between words. So this is a typewriter habit to mimic that kind of thing (like the sibling noted).

jhardy54 4y ago
Some people might prefer two spaces, but my understanding is that all authorities on “good typography” have standardized on one space: https://practicaltypography.com/one-space-between-sentences.html https://practicaltypography.com/one-space-between-sentences....
- avgcorrection 4y ago
  Interesting. I definitely respect Butterick’s opinions on typography.
- harshreality 4y ago
  Rendering engines can do anything they want. The question is about source representation only, for semantic purposes. That has nothing to do with output representation. Even practicaltypography completely misses that distinction. You wouldn't publish anything with line breaks between sentences either. Double spacing or line breaks both work nicely for semantic purposes because html (or markdown which almost always ends up displayed somewhere as html) will ignore it. Any print publishing software in the 21st century should be aware that two spaces in a prose text source is a hint for a sentence break, and treat it appropriately. They often apply custom spacing (slightly more than 1, but nowhere close to 2) between sentences anyway. Without the two spaces, they have to algorithmically guess at sentences. You just won't notice when there are sentence detection errors, unless you're a typography fanatic; who's going to notice 1 space instead of 1.2 or whatever the optimum happens to be?
  - sam_bristow 4y ago
    Maybe I'm just being slow this morning, but isn't the fullstop the indication of the end of the sentence? What extra information is encoded by fullstop + 2 spaces?
    - andreareina 4y ago
      The period also indicates the previous word was abbreviated, or can be used in an ellipsis, probably other situations that aren't top of mind right now.
  - jhardy54 4y ago
    GP: > Good typography seems to dictate a wider space after a sentence than between words. You: > Rendering engines can do anything they want. The question is about source representation only, for semantic purposes. The thread you’ve commented on is literally about rendering, not source representation and semantics. I agree that you can use a double-space as a sentence delimiter, but we’re currently discussing whether it’s “good typography” to render it that way.
    - 4y ago
- yellowapple 4y ago
  Those authorities on "good typography" are wrong. They prioritize text looking pretty over text conveying information clearly and accurately, and the world is worse off because of it. Two spaces as the sentence delimiter is superior in every way that actually matters, and I will die on that hill.
- cratermoon 4y ago
  Take a ruler to some text that's traditionally typeset and you'll notice that the width of the whitespace after a sentence end is slightly wider than the space between words. That's either an em space or an en quad. Between-word spacing would be about 1/2 an en. Studies examining whether or not wider spacing between sentences improved readability have been inconclusive. There is one good reason to use two spaces between sentences, at least for text that's going to be processed automatically. It can be very difficult for software to know whether a given punctuation mark is the end of a sentence or something else, like an abbreviation. GNU Emacs, for example, is (or was) coded to recognize sentences by looking for two spaces after a ., ?, or !.[1] 1 https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Sentences.html https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Se...

dubya 4y ago

For me it's a holdover from a high school typing class, but I find it useful. I mostly write in LaTeX which just ignores the extras. On the iphone, two spaces are replaced by a period and a space, which is quite handy.