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What on earth are you on about? The US has the highest rates of cancer survival in the world.

effingwewt 4y ago
Edit on top because this is very close to me and makesy blood boil. Right now this is what's going on. My best friend John lives with his grandmother Connie who raised him. Last November, so 7+months now, she found out she has lung cancer. Doesn't smoke, but that doesn't matter. Connie is the sweetest woman and reminds me of my Grandma. Not a mean bone in her body, would do anything for you. She had to wait ~4 months to get the referral from her doctor. Once she had that she could begin oncology. 3 months later she still can't get an appointment. Connie has tried and called repeatedly, as has John and his other family members. They are broken watching her waste away, and she can't even get in to begin assessment much less treatment. So tired of people with statistics which can be and are gamed, or people with money and insurance assuming everyone does. Connie is going to die, she knows this, and her last few months are nothing but terror and frustration and sadness all around. Original comment+My 3 family members who died to cancer. Being in the cancer wards and oncology centers and getting to know lots of patients. This is the reality. If you have money and insurance cancer will break you. If you have nothing it is almost a guaranteed death sentence. But hey, you've got a statistic!
- CodeSgt 4y ago
  Yes as it happens statistics are more accurate than anecdotes, especially if they're well documented and proven like this one. Cancer isn't trivial to treat, people are going to die from it. Just, less people in America compared to other countries. You're basically saying "Well I know people that died from this very lethal disease here in the US, therefore other countries must be so much further ahead". Which isn't really logically coherent.
- CodeSgt 4y ago
  Response to the edit: Yeah that sucks, but your experience doesn't define the broader landscape. I had a sister with cancer, and we were very, very poor when she was diagnosed. She still managed to get treatment and make a full recovery, albeit we did end up with a good deal of medical debt. Nonetheless, she lived. Why does your anecdote carry more weight than mine? It doesn't. I understand you're going through a very difficult time but the solution is not to deny statistics and established facts in favor of your poor experience. People die, it sounds like your family is genetically predisposed to lethal cancers.

Edit on top because this is very close to me and makesy blood boil. Right now this is what's going on. My best friend John lives with his grandmother Connie who raised him. Last November, so 7+months now, she found out she has lung cancer. Doesn't smoke, but that doesn't matter. Connie is the sweetest woman and reminds me of my Grandma. Not a mean bone in her body, would do anything for you. She had to wait ~4 months to get the referral from her doctor. Once she had that she could begin oncology. 3 months later she still can't get an appointment. Connie has tried and called repeatedly, as has John and his other family members. They are broken watching her waste away, and she can't even get in to begin assessment much less treatment. So tired of people with statistics which can be and are gamed, or people with money and insurance assuming everyone does. Connie is going to die, she knows this, and her last few months are nothing but terror and frustration and sadness all around. Original comment+My 3 family members who died to cancer. Being in the cancer wards and oncology centers and getting to know lots of patients. This is the reality. If you have money and insurance cancer will break you. If you have nothing it is almost a guaranteed death sentence. But hey, you've got a statistic!

CodeSgt 4y ago
Yes as it happens statistics are more accurate than anecdotes, especially if they're well documented and proven like this one. Cancer isn't trivial to treat, people are going to die from it. Just, less people in America compared to other countries. You're basically saying "Well I know people that died from this very lethal disease here in the US, therefore other countries must be so much further ahead". Which isn't really logically coherent.
CodeSgt 4y ago
Response to the edit: Yeah that sucks, but your experience doesn't define the broader landscape. I had a sister with cancer, and we were very, very poor when she was diagnosed. She still managed to get treatment and make a full recovery, albeit we did end up with a good deal of medical debt. Nonetheless, she lived. Why does your anecdote carry more weight than mine? It doesn't. I understand you're going through a very difficult time but the solution is not to deny statistics and established facts in favor of your poor experience. People die, it sounds like your family is genetically predisposed to lethal cancers.