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The rules are different for contractors, they get paid a lot to STFU and do what's asked of them.

mugsie 4y ago
I mean, sure, but they are not paid more because they are code monkeys, they are paid more because they have less stable employments, and in europe at least have a lot overhead costs they are responsible for that the employer would normally pay. From the sound of it, Spotify was treating them like employees - most places would definitely not have contractors do hack time, or put code monkey contractors in the path of major feature estimations
ethbr0 4y ago
Well, they get paid to be terminated much more easily. Typically at companies where that's "harder" for employees. But the entire idea of contract + senior/architect is somewhat bizarre, given how much of the latter's jobs are consensus, relationship-based, and political.
- soco 4y ago
  Now we probably know also the reason why.
  - ethbr0 4y ago
    Agreed. I'd never really thought about it that way. I have been contract architect... and while it was a better position, I would say the work suffered for my personal lack of intra-company relationships. Going forward I would probably avoid contract work with those responsibilities. On the other hand, call me a consultant, hire me from a higher level sponsor, and at least I have a clear remit.
uxp100 4y ago
Eh, I don’t know this persons position, but typically they’re not really paid more than ftes. The hyper expert high paid consultant does exist, but most contractors are just compensation wise a lower tier or at parity. But there are advantages in other ways. I liked thinking in the short term (just doing this for a year, then maybe change up career path a bit), and I went from interview to work in about a week, consulting companies move fast on getting you working.
- secondcoming 4y ago
  If you’re working for a consulting company then you’re not a contractor. You’re not being paid by the client, but by your employer.

I mean, sure, but they are not paid more because they are code monkeys, they are paid more because they have less stable employments, and in europe at least have a lot overhead costs they are responsible for that the employer would normally pay. From the sound of it, Spotify was treating them like employees - most places would definitely not have contractors do hack time, or put code monkey contractors in the path of major feature estimations

ethbr0 4y ago

Well, they get paid to be terminated much more easily. Typically at companies where that's "harder" for employees. But the entire idea of contract + senior/architect is somewhat bizarre, given how much of the latter's jobs are consensus, relationship-based, and political.

soco 4y ago
Now we probably know also the reason why.
- ethbr0 4y ago
  Agreed. I'd never really thought about it that way. I have been contract architect... and while it was a better position, I would say the work suffered for my personal lack of intra-company relationships. Going forward I would probably avoid contract work with those responsibilities. On the other hand, call me a consultant, hire me from a higher level sponsor, and at least I have a clear remit.

uxp100 4y ago

Eh, I don’t know this persons position, but typically they’re not really paid more than ftes. The hyper expert high paid consultant does exist, but most contractors are just compensation wise a lower tier or at parity. But there are advantages in other ways. I liked thinking in the short term (just doing this for a year, then maybe change up career path a bit), and I went from interview to work in about a week, consulting companies move fast on getting you working.

secondcoming 4y ago
If you’re working for a consulting company then you’re not a contractor. You’re not being paid by the client, but by your employer.