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The point is Apple's rules are not really rules (as evidenced by Twitter existing on iOS) and are really just excuses for selectively bullying out companies the

by alexb_ 4y ago

The point is Apple's rules are not really rules (as evidenced by Twitter existing on iOS) and are really just excuses for selectively bullying out companies they don't like. There is absolutely no reason that Apple should have the power to do that. Sure they could have "provided a web app" that gave a really really shitty experience to everyone compared to an actual app, but that's not an actual alternative and still loses out on a ton of users. Apple has the power to control what software you can download and run on YOUR device, and these are the consequences.

cloutchaser 4y ago
> The point is Apple's rules are not really rules (as evidenced by Twitter existing on iOS) and are really just excuses for selectively bullying out companies they don't like. Exactly right. It's amazing to me that with these global platforms we are seeing exactly why the legal system evolved the way it did, and why we have things like appeals, precendents, the judges, and levels of courts. Getting rules and regulations right is not easy. Relying on these platforms to do it is basically reinventing the wheel, except they don't seem to be reinventing it correctly. They are creating kafkaesque impossible to communicate with bureaucracies. And the funny thing is, due to their focus on profits, they don't really care if 5-10% of the population find it impossible to use their platforms of get banned, because it just doesn't matter to their bottom line if courts and appeals are more expensive to run than just banning them. And then we basically see why equality before the law evolved, and why its to fucking important.
kmlx 4y ago
> as evidenced by Twitter existing on iOS there is no “evidence”. it’s a 17+ app with sexual accounts actively banned all of the time which you can’t even access if you’re not logged in, NSFW is disabled by default etc etc > There is absolutely no reason that Apple should have the power to do that. actually there’s a huge reason: they built it, they own it. > Apple has the power to control what software you can download and run on YOUR device the device is meaningless, it’s all about the software. and you don’t own that. so you can’t impose your own rules.
- rglullis 4y ago
  > actually there’s a huge reason: they built it, they own it. Microsoft also built IE6 and they also built Windows. Should they have kept the power to bundle IE and to make it difficult for other browser developers?
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  - CodeSgt 4y ago
    Yes. They should.
    - rglullis 4y ago
      Why? Can you please go ahead and explain why monopolies and anti-competitive practices should be accepted by societies?
      - CodeSgt 4y ago
        I answered a single question, I did not endorse anti-competative practices across the board. In this particular case, they built it therfore they should be able to choose how to distribute it and establish privacy standards as they wish.
        rglullis 4y ago
        What they were trying to do was considered anti-competitive practice, and "They built it therefore they can do whatever they want with it" in isolation makes absolutely no sense.
        CodeSgt 4y ago
        > answered a single question, I did not endorse anti-competative practices across the board. I also didn't say they could do "whatever they want". Could you please be a good faith conversationalist and reply only to what was actually said, as opposed to your misinterpretation of what was said?
threeseed 4y ago
> and are really just excuses for selectively bullying out companies they don't like Except that if Tumblr had chosen to take responsibility for the moderation of their platform then it would still be on the store. Twitter, Reddit etc are heavily moderated hence why they are still there. > Apple has the power to control what software you can download and run on YOUR device iPhone has been around for 15 years. We know. That's why we bought it in the first place.
- Macha 4y ago
  I really don't think Reddit, especially in the time that the Tumblr ban happened, was actually more moderated than Tumblr. Tumblr was just the one that got their moderation found not to be up to Apple's standards first at a time Apple needed to make a statement that they're "not like those other big tech companies". Arguably this was also a warning shot to other social networks like Reddit who did up their moderation afterwards, for both good and bad.
mcphage 4y ago
> really just excuses for selectively bullying out companies they don't like That seems a strong claim—why do you think Apple doesn’t like Tumblr? They’re not a competitor in any space. > Sure they could have "provided a web app" that gave a really really shitty experience to everyone compared to an actual app Tumblr is an actual web site, right?

by alexb_ 4y ago

cloutchaser 4y ago

> The point is Apple's rules are not really rules (as evidenced by Twitter existing on iOS) and are really just excuses for selectively bullying out companies they don't like. Exactly right. It's amazing to me that with these global platforms we are seeing exactly why the legal system evolved the way it did, and why we have things like appeals, precendents, the judges, and levels of courts. Getting rules and regulations right is not easy. Relying on these platforms to do it is basically reinventing the wheel, except they don't seem to be reinventing it correctly. They are creating kafkaesque impossible to communicate with bureaucracies. And the funny thing is, due to their focus on profits, they don't really care if 5-10% of the population find it impossible to use their platforms of get banned, because it just doesn't matter to their bottom line if courts and appeals are more expensive to run than just banning them. And then we basically see why equality before the law evolved, and why its to fucking important.

kmlx 4y ago

> as evidenced by Twitter existing on iOS there is no “evidence”. it’s a 17+ app with sexual accounts actively banned all of the time which you can’t even access if you’re not logged in, NSFW is disabled by default etc etc > There is absolutely no reason that Apple should have the power to do that. actually there’s a huge reason: they built it, they own it. > Apple has the power to control what software you can download and run on YOUR device the device is meaningless, it’s all about the software. and you don’t own that. so you can’t impose your own rules.

rglullis 4y ago
> actually there’s a huge reason: they built it, they own it. Microsoft also built IE6 and they also built Windows. Should they have kept the power to bundle IE and to make it difficult for other browser developers?
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- CodeSgt 4y ago
  Yes. They should.
  - rglullis 4y ago
    Why? Can you please go ahead and explain why monopolies and anti-competitive practices should be accepted by societies?
    - CodeSgt 4y ago
      I answered a single question, I did not endorse anti-competative practices across the board. In this particular case, they built it therfore they should be able to choose how to distribute it and establish privacy standards as they wish.
      - rglullis 4y ago
        What they were trying to do was considered anti-competitive practice, and "They built it therefore they can do whatever they want with it" in isolation makes absolutely no sense.
        CodeSgt 4y ago
        > answered a single question, I did not endorse anti-competative practices across the board. I also didn't say they could do "whatever they want". Could you please be a good faith conversationalist and reply only to what was actually said, as opposed to your misinterpretation of what was said?

threeseed 4y ago

> and are really just excuses for selectively bullying out companies they don't like Except that if Tumblr had chosen to take responsibility for the moderation of their platform then it would still be on the store. Twitter, Reddit etc are heavily moderated hence why they are still there. > Apple has the power to control what software you can download and run on YOUR device iPhone has been around for 15 years. We know. That's why we bought it in the first place.

Macha 4y ago
I really don't think Reddit, especially in the time that the Tumblr ban happened, was actually more moderated than Tumblr. Tumblr was just the one that got their moderation found not to be up to Apple's standards first at a time Apple needed to make a statement that they're "not like those other big tech companies". Arguably this was also a warning shot to other social networks like Reddit who did up their moderation afterwards, for both good and bad.

mcphage 4y ago

> really just excuses for selectively bullying out companies they don't like That seems a strong claim—why do you think Apple doesn’t like Tumblr? They’re not a competitor in any space. > Sure they could have "provided a web app" that gave a really really shitty experience to everyone compared to an actual app Tumblr is an actual web site, right?