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>I don't use Apple at all and don't feel I missing out. Apple doesn't have any network effect. there were quite a few stories about kids being ostracized from

>I don't use Apple at all and don't feel I missing out. Apple doesn't have any network effect. there were quite a few stories about kids being ostracized from groups because they started to bully each other over lack of messaging features. Certainly not the worst thing imaginable but Apple's apps do have network effects. https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/10/22876067/google-apple-ios-android-imessages-bullying-lockheimer https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/10/22876067/google-apple-ios...

Beltalowda 4y ago
I was bullied at school for not having Nike shoes; I remember one kid literally telling me "I can't be friends with you until you have Nikes". I love kids; I used to work with kids and I kinda miss it, but man kids can be petty assholes.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Sadly the solution isn't banning Nikes or whatever the current "they're being petty about it" thing is - they'll just find something else to latch onto.
  - Beltalowda 4y ago
    That was my point indeed. Although thinking about it again, in some countries (not mine) they got school uniforms for this reason. I don't know if it helps (as in, there will still be bullying no doubt, but is there less bullying without than with school uniforms?)
    - bombcar 4y ago
      I suspect if there are variations on "amount of bullying" it comes down to culture rather than "school uniforms" - at least one Japanese manga is all about bullying in a school uniformed school, so it must happen enough to be a bit of a trope. It may happen less in places where the private schools can be school uniform or not, but there I suspect it has more to do with expelling the bullies than anything to do with the uniform itself, since it won't usually cover other status symbols that can be obtained (shoes, hair decorations, etc). That's not to discount that the uniform may be useful for various reasons.
  - usrn 4y ago
    The solution is for mature adults to not behave like children because they understand being petty about brands creates serious problems both for themselves and everyone around them. Children doing it is just part of the series of learning experiences that comprises maturation.
Dracophoenix 4y ago
With regards to messaging, Apple's "network effect" is an oblong Parrish Blue text field. That says more about how petty children and even women on dating sites are and less about Apple "monopolizing" anything.
- Karunamon 4y ago
  It’s not quite that petty. It’s not that the background of the message is the wrong color, it’s that having an SMS user added to an iMessage chat degrades the functionality away from what iMessage supports down to what SMS supports.
  - Dracophoenix 4y ago
    Degrading to the lowest common denominator is what an interoperable standard is supposed to accomplish. The alternative is for iMessage to entirely decline SMS usage in group chats.
    - Karunamon 4y ago
      Technically that's accurate, but that does nothing for the social stigma of being that one guy who makes the chat suck for everyone else just by being present
      - bombcar 4y ago
        Even so if you're not on "iPhone" you get a bunch of "Bob laughed at TEXT" kind of things, which can be annoying. I wonder how much Apple would make (and how much they'd lose) if they had a paid iMessage app for iCloud subscribers.
      - kop316 4y ago
        > social stigma of being that one guy who makes the chat suck for everyone else just by being present I have been trying to parse this. You do understand that for some people (like me), I explicitly DO NOT want an iPhone, right? It isn't I cannot afford it, I do not want it. The reason the chat "sucks for everyone else" is because Apple doesn't open up the protocol. Don't blame me for not wanting an iPhone.
3qz 4y ago
It’s not just kids. Adult women don’t want boyfriends with Androids. Having green texts is unacceptable in such a competitive dating market.
- howinteresting 4y ago
  *straight dating market This is not at all a thing among the queer people I know. Most of my partners have Androids (one has an iPhone) and we all use Signal or Discord.
  - 3qz 4y ago
    The gay men I date also bullied me when I still had an Android. If your social circle uses discord then they’re probably not concerned with being normal.
    - howinteresting 4y ago
      Yes, gay male dating culture is also quite bad with its focus on superficialities and appearing normal, as you put it. Talking mostly about lesbian and non-binary/trans culture here.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      Really? I don't think I've ever dated a man who cares more about the phone I use than the job I have or the clothes I'm wearing. I think if anyone pestered me about using a Thinkpad or an Android device, I'd walk out of the venue and foot them the bill.
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  Texting androids from an iPhone is a legitimately bad experience. No clue why iPhone users don't just get whats app, but if they're not willing to it's not surprising that they're uninterested in having text conversations with androids.
  - smoldesu 4y ago

Beltalowda 4y ago

I was bullied at school for not having Nike shoes; I remember one kid literally telling me "I can't be friends with you until you have Nikes". I love kids; I used to work with kids and I kinda miss it, but man kids can be petty assholes.

bombcar 4y ago
Sadly the solution isn't banning Nikes or whatever the current "they're being petty about it" thing is - they'll just find something else to latch onto.
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  That was my point indeed. Although thinking about it again, in some countries (not mine) they got school uniforms for this reason. I don't know if it helps (as in, there will still be bullying no doubt, but is there less bullying without than with school uniforms?)
  - bombcar 4y ago
    I suspect if there are variations on "amount of bullying" it comes down to culture rather than "school uniforms" - at least one Japanese manga is all about bullying in a school uniformed school, so it must happen enough to be a bit of a trope. It may happen less in places where the private schools can be school uniform or not, but there I suspect it has more to do with expelling the bullies than anything to do with the uniform itself, since it won't usually cover other status symbols that can be obtained (shoes, hair decorations, etc). That's not to discount that the uniform may be useful for various reasons.
- usrn 4y ago
  The solution is for mature adults to not behave like children because they understand being petty about brands creates serious problems both for themselves and everyone around them. Children doing it is just part of the series of learning experiences that comprises maturation.

Dracophoenix 4y ago

With regards to messaging, Apple's "network effect" is an oblong Parrish Blue text field. That says more about how petty children and even women on dating sites are and less about Apple "monopolizing" anything.

Karunamon 4y ago
It’s not quite that petty. It’s not that the background of the message is the wrong color, it’s that having an SMS user added to an iMessage chat degrades the functionality away from what iMessage supports down to what SMS supports.
- Dracophoenix 4y ago
  Degrading to the lowest common denominator is what an interoperable standard is supposed to accomplish. The alternative is for iMessage to entirely decline SMS usage in group chats.
  - Karunamon 4y ago
    Technically that's accurate, but that does nothing for the social stigma of being that one guy who makes the chat suck for everyone else just by being present
    - bombcar 4y ago
      Even so if you're not on "iPhone" you get a bunch of "Bob laughed at TEXT" kind of things, which can be annoying. I wonder how much Apple would make (and how much they'd lose) if they had a paid iMessage app for iCloud subscribers.
    - kop316 4y ago
      > social stigma of being that one guy who makes the chat suck for everyone else just by being present I have been trying to parse this. You do understand that for some people (like me), I explicitly DO NOT want an iPhone, right? It isn't I cannot afford it, I do not want it. The reason the chat "sucks for everyone else" is because Apple doesn't open up the protocol. Don't blame me for not wanting an iPhone.

3qz 4y ago

It’s not just kids. Adult women don’t want boyfriends with Androids. Having green texts is unacceptable in such a competitive dating market.

howinteresting 4y ago
*straight dating market This is not at all a thing among the queer people I know. Most of my partners have Androids (one has an iPhone) and we all use Signal or Discord.
- 3qz 4y ago
  The gay men I date also bullied me when I still had an Android. If your social circle uses discord then they’re probably not concerned with being normal.
  - howinteresting 4y ago
    Yes, gay male dating culture is also quite bad with its focus on superficialities and appearing normal, as you put it. Talking mostly about lesbian and non-binary/trans culture here.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    Really? I don't think I've ever dated a man who cares more about the phone I use than the job I have or the clothes I'm wearing. I think if anyone pestered me about using a Thinkpad or an Android device, I'd walk out of the venue and foot them the bill.
colinmhayes 4y ago
Texting androids from an iPhone is a legitimately bad experience. No clue why iPhone users don't just get whats app, but if they're not willing to it's not surprising that they're uninterested in having text conversations with androids.
- smoldesu 4y ago