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IIRC 3ac was also invested in GBTC which is a whole separate barrel of weird - a share issuing entity which holds BTC and issues shares in proportion to holding

by Nursie 4y ago

IIRC 3ac was also invested in GBTC which is a whole separate barrel of weird - a share issuing entity which holds BTC and issues shares in proportion to holdings. It was supposed to act as a proxy for BTC price. But due to regulations not going it’s way, it could never sell/redeem the BTC, and now the shares in the entity have collapsed more than Bitcoin has.

dragontamer 4y ago
GBTC is an entity that has proven the existence of it's BTC. You can see it as future BTC where the future date is undetermined, possibly infinite at the moment. GBTC being low just means that the stock market thinks BTC is going down for the near future. To the point where it is willing to trade GBTC at a discount to it's book value. We all know GBTC is good on it's BTC holdings. We just don't know when it's regulators will let them sell and act as a fully functioning ETF.
- Nursie 4y ago
  > GBTC being low just means that the stock market thinks BTC is going down for the near future Or that a stock in a fund which cannot sell its BTC is even less useful and appealing than holding BTC itself. > We just don't know when it's regulators will let them sell and act as a fully functioning ETF. If. We don't know 'if'. A BTC black-hole being cheaper than bitcoin is not that surprising.
  - dragontamer 4y ago
    > If. We don't know 'if'. A BTC black-hole being cheaper than bitcoin is not that surprising. Your theory doesn't match reality. GBTC was trading at a premium a few months ago. I personally believe GBTC is just able to predict the future direction of BTC. It is easier, and more convenient, for most people to speculate upon the value of BTC using GBTC. When the market thought it was going up, it bought GBTC at a premium. Now that the market thinks it is going down, it sells GBTC at a discount. -------- GBTC, as a basket of BTC, is more open and honest than using pseudo-baskets, like MicroStrategy, to speculate upon the price of cryptocurrencies. The general stock market wants to play speculation games, with GBTC, BITI, MicroStrategy, and maybe even Tesla a little bit (sure there is a car company attached but everyone knows Tesla has a large BTC holding).

by Nursie 4y ago

dragontamer 4y ago

GBTC is an entity that has proven the existence of it's BTC. You can see it as future BTC where the future date is undetermined, possibly infinite at the moment. GBTC being low just means that the stock market thinks BTC is going down for the near future. To the point where it is willing to trade GBTC at a discount to it's book value. We all know GBTC is good on it's BTC holdings. We just don't know when it's regulators will let them sell and act as a fully functioning ETF.

Nursie 4y ago
> GBTC being low just means that the stock market thinks BTC is going down for the near future Or that a stock in a fund which cannot sell its BTC is even less useful and appealing than holding BTC itself. > We just don't know when it's regulators will let them sell and act as a fully functioning ETF. If. We don't know 'if'. A BTC black-hole being cheaper than bitcoin is not that surprising.
- dragontamer 4y ago
  > If. We don't know 'if'. A BTC black-hole being cheaper than bitcoin is not that surprising. Your theory doesn't match reality. GBTC was trading at a premium a few months ago. I personally believe GBTC is just able to predict the future direction of BTC. It is easier, and more convenient, for most people to speculate upon the value of BTC using GBTC. When the market thought it was going up, it bought GBTC at a premium. Now that the market thinks it is going down, it sells GBTC at a discount. -------- GBTC, as a basket of BTC, is more open and honest than using pseudo-baskets, like MicroStrategy, to speculate upon the price of cryptocurrencies. The general stock market wants to play speculation games, with GBTC, BITI, MicroStrategy, and maybe even Tesla a little bit (sure there is a car company attached but everyone knows Tesla has a large BTC holding).