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> We worked hard to make orkut.com a community where hate and disinformation were not tolerated. Does anyone know if this is actually true or is this all just

> We worked hard to make orkut.com a community where hate and disinformation were not tolerated. Does anyone know if this is actually true or is this all just pandering to a contemporary audience (given the last few years)? It really seems like BS (see [1] and [2].) Also, what's with the name? I never got that. Aha, I see. > The website was named after its creator, Google employee Orkut Büyükkökten 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkut#Hate_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkut#Hate_groups 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkut#State_censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkut#State_censorship

piva00 4y ago
It's pandering. Orkut was massively big in Brazil when I was in my late teens/early 20s, it always had hate groups, brigading groups, stalkers and so on. Disinformation was rampant, message chains such as "spread this to 5 of your friends so they know the truth" with blatant wrong information were extremely common. It was more innocent though, it always looked like it was just some teens trolling and spreading bullshit for giggles. Even more it was a side-project from Orkut at Google I'm very sure they didn't have the capacity to moderate millions of Brazilian users speaking an uncommon language, with tons of internet-speak, slangs, etc.
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  - prvit 4y ago
    Accusing moots 4chan of swatting people is a weird retcon. I bet you can't name a single instance.
    - KennyBlanken 4y ago
      https://www.mediamatters.org/maga-trolls/day-parkland-survivor-david-hogg-got-swatted-trolls-shared-his-address-4chan-and-8chan https://www.mediamatters.org/maga-trolls/day-parkland-surviv... https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/06/06/1769711/-David-Hoggs-swatting-may-have-started-on-4chan https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/06/06/1769711/-David-H... https://www.gawker.com/5824545/internet-prankster-sends-swat-team-to-cyberbullying-experts-house https://www.gawker.com/5824545/internet-prankster-sends-swat... https://books.google.com/books?id=sRsxDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT16&lpg=PT16&dq=%224chan%22+swatting&ots=VrXCTHrvjv&sig=ACfU3U3AeVPdOfQAbutoZQGRdbFg7FxsmA&hl=en#v=onepage&q=%224chan%22%20swatting&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=sRsxDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT16&lpg=P... https://www.sunherald.com/news/local/crime/article257253377.html https://www.sunherald.com/news/local/crime/article257253377.... https://psc.apcointl.org/2011/08/01/swatting-9-1-1-hoax-calls-add-pressure-danger/ https://psc.apcointl.org/2011/08/01/swatting-9-1-1-hoax-call...
      - prvit 4y ago
        Out of those, only the Aftab case predates moot selling 4chan. That one was done by partyvan crowd who had been driven off from 4chan by that time. It would’ve been 888chan, 711chan or rockstararmy. Of course, journalists don’t care about such distinctions and will group all of them together as “4chan”. https://web.archive.org/web/20110902152829/http://partyvan.info/wiki/Operation:_Cyberbully https://web.archive.org/web/20110902152829/http://partyvan.i... Blaming 4chan was just a part of the fun, the mods could ban these threads and the people posting in them, but they’d still get the blame. And FWIW, your other links tend to be more about 8chan than (post-moot) 4chan.
rglullis 4y ago
Orkut was much more like reddit-with-your-friends than Facebook. The bulk of activity happened in the community forums and as far as I remember there was no "timeline" of posts. Photo sharing would also be on albums, which worked more like flickr-for-group-events.
aaws11 4y ago
> "they worked hard" they weren't good at it or successful at it. they just worked hard.
cmrdporcupine 4y ago
It's funny because browsing (original) Orkut was the first time I became aware of just how bad the nascent white nationalist movement was becoming, because while browsing around there I stumbled across several very active white nationalist and NAZI-type groups. Most in Portugese, but some in English. I also vageuly remember when Orkut & friends were working on "Hello.com" while still at Google sometime I think around 2012 or 2013?, running sort of hush hush in parallel to G+, with assets checked into Google3 (the monorepo) and people being like "what is this? Do you know about this, Larry" because it seemed to go against the messaging we were getting about G+ being the unified social platform, we were all being forced to pivot to etc. And then there was a bit of a minor scandal and memegen-storm about a bunch of animated GIF emoji assets that included animations of people slapping women and other things some people found distasteful. I believe after that it all disappeared from Google3.

piva00 4y ago

It's pandering. Orkut was massively big in Brazil when I was in my late teens/early 20s, it always had hate groups, brigading groups, stalkers and so on. Disinformation was rampant, message chains such as "spread this to 5 of your friends so they know the truth" with blatant wrong information were extremely common. It was more innocent though, it always looked like it was just some teens trolling and spreading bullshit for giggles. Even more it was a side-project from Orkut at Google I'm very sure they didn't have the capacity to moderate millions of Brazilian users speaking an uncommon language, with tons of internet-speak, slangs, etc.

KennyBlanken 4y ago
- prvit 4y ago
  Accusing moots 4chan of swatting people is a weird retcon. I bet you can't name a single instance.
  - KennyBlanken 4y ago
    https://www.mediamatters.org/maga-trolls/day-parkland-survivor-david-hogg-got-swatted-trolls-shared-his-address-4chan-and-8chan https://www.mediamatters.org/maga-trolls/day-parkland-surviv... https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/06/06/1769711/-David-Hoggs-swatting-may-have-started-on-4chan https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/06/06/1769711/-David-H... https://www.gawker.com/5824545/internet-prankster-sends-swat-team-to-cyberbullying-experts-house https://www.gawker.com/5824545/internet-prankster-sends-swat... https://books.google.com/books?id=sRsxDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT16&lpg=PT16&dq=%224chan%22+swatting&ots=VrXCTHrvjv&sig=ACfU3U3AeVPdOfQAbutoZQGRdbFg7FxsmA&hl=en#v=onepage&q=%224chan%22%20swatting&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=sRsxDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT16&lpg=P... https://www.sunherald.com/news/local/crime/article257253377.html https://www.sunherald.com/news/local/crime/article257253377.... https://psc.apcointl.org/2011/08/01/swatting-9-1-1-hoax-calls-add-pressure-danger/ https://psc.apcointl.org/2011/08/01/swatting-9-1-1-hoax-call...
    - prvit 4y ago
      Out of those, only the Aftab case predates moot selling 4chan. That one was done by partyvan crowd who had been driven off from 4chan by that time. It would’ve been 888chan, 711chan or rockstararmy. Of course, journalists don’t care about such distinctions and will group all of them together as “4chan”. https://web.archive.org/web/20110902152829/http://partyvan.info/wiki/Operation:_Cyberbully https://web.archive.org/web/20110902152829/http://partyvan.i... Blaming 4chan was just a part of the fun, the mods could ban these threads and the people posting in them, but they’d still get the blame. And FWIW, your other links tend to be more about 8chan than (post-moot) 4chan.

rglullis 4y ago

Orkut was much more like reddit-with-your-friends than Facebook. The bulk of activity happened in the community forums and as far as I remember there was no "timeline" of posts. Photo sharing would also be on albums, which worked more like flickr-for-group-events.

aaws11 4y ago

> "they worked hard" they weren't good at it or successful at it. they just worked hard.

cmrdporcupine 4y ago

It's funny because browsing (original) Orkut was the first time I became aware of just how bad the nascent white nationalist movement was becoming, because while browsing around there I stumbled across several very active white nationalist and NAZI-type groups. Most in Portugese, but some in English. I also vageuly remember when Orkut & friends were working on "Hello.com" while still at Google sometime I think around 2012 or 2013?, running sort of hush hush in parallel to G+, with assets checked into Google3 (the monorepo) and people being like "what is this? Do you know about this, Larry" because it seemed to go against the messaging we were getting about G+ being the unified social platform, we were all being forced to pivot to etc. And then there was a bit of a minor scandal and memegen-storm about a bunch of animated GIF emoji assets that included animations of people slapping women and other things some people found distasteful. I believe after that it all disappeared from Google3.