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And what about all the times you talked about things on WhatsApp and Facebook didn’t start showing you ads about whatever? Confirmation bias is a hell of a thi

And what about all the times you talked about things on WhatsApp and Facebook didn’t start showing you ads about whatever? Confirmation bias is a hell of a thing; it works in many different ways. Personally over years of usage I’ve never had WhatsApp convos trigger ads.

philliphaydon 4y ago
Majority of people I talk to are Messenger, LINE, and Telegram. So I only have a few people on Facebook. The Business accounts 100% cause me to get advertising on facebook. For example last week the butcher I used to purchase from in Singapore messaged me from his business account advertising arrival of new meat. Boom I get advertising for meat products in Singapore and Taiwan. The issue is, I have only 3 chats happening in WhatsApp in the last 2 years that are non-business chats. And all 3 have had conversations resulting in advertising.
- scrollaway 4y ago
  Business account chat logs are read by Facebook because the chats are sent via other means than WhatsApp. I don’t believe you can verify identity on business accounts either anyway so that’s moot. As for your other examples, as I said, it’s all very circumstantial and coincidental. Not evidence. Your accusation is more serious than you think, and serious accusations need serious evidence.
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    I have absolutely no problem accusing Facebook. It's not like they will try to prove me wrong or anything. We only assume that WA is using e2ee, but the reality is they have told us. Never proven it.
    - scrollaway 4y ago
      Except that WhatsApp uses the same protocol as signal. If you’re saying Facebook can just decrypt stuff at will, your accusations are quite extreme, and you better back it up with stronger evidence.
- gruez 4y ago
  >Majority of people I talk to are Messenger, [...] >The issue is, I have only 3 chats happening in WhatsApp in the last 2 years that are non-business chats. And all 3 have had conversations resulting in advertising. you realize that Messenger is owned by facebook? I find it baffling that you think the leak must be from whatsapp, when in reality both Messenger and whatsapp are both owned by facebook.
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    Jezzz I wish I could throw up a facepalm emoji… My point is because everyone I know uses other messaging apps, not what’s app. My sample size is very small because I’m not having daily conversations on what’s app. Conversations are happening in other apps.

philliphaydon 4y ago

Majority of people I talk to are Messenger, LINE, and Telegram. So I only have a few people on Facebook. The Business accounts 100% cause me to get advertising on facebook. For example last week the butcher I used to purchase from in Singapore messaged me from his business account advertising arrival of new meat. Boom I get advertising for meat products in Singapore and Taiwan. The issue is, I have only 3 chats happening in WhatsApp in the last 2 years that are non-business chats. And all 3 have had conversations resulting in advertising.

scrollaway 4y ago
Business account chat logs are read by Facebook because the chats are sent via other means than WhatsApp. I don’t believe you can verify identity on business accounts either anyway so that’s moot. As for your other examples, as I said, it’s all very circumstantial and coincidental. Not evidence. Your accusation is more serious than you think, and serious accusations need serious evidence.
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  I have absolutely no problem accusing Facebook. It's not like they will try to prove me wrong or anything. We only assume that WA is using e2ee, but the reality is they have told us. Never proven it.
  - scrollaway 4y ago
    Except that WhatsApp uses the same protocol as signal. If you’re saying Facebook can just decrypt stuff at will, your accusations are quite extreme, and you better back it up with stronger evidence.
gruez 4y ago
>Majority of people I talk to are Messenger, [...] >The issue is, I have only 3 chats happening in WhatsApp in the last 2 years that are non-business chats. And all 3 have had conversations resulting in advertising. you realize that Messenger is owned by facebook? I find it baffling that you think the leak must be from whatsapp, when in reality both Messenger and whatsapp are both owned by facebook.
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  Jezzz I wish I could throw up a facepalm emoji… My point is because everyone I know uses other messaging apps, not what’s app. My sample size is very small because I’m not having daily conversations on what’s app. Conversations are happening in other apps.