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I'd like to know if anyone's parents, or grandparents, or great-grandparents (think WWII) are actually free of trauma? How do they find a control here for traum

I'd like to know if anyone's parents, or grandparents, or great-grandparents (think WWII) are actually free of trauma? How do they find a control here for trauma-free people?

manmal 4y ago
Trauma is not automatic even for people put in very bad situations, afaik. Perception and expectations are very important here. For example: A person is fired from their job. For someone who wanted to quit anyway, that could be a rather small annoyance, perhaps a blow to the ego. But for someone who struggled very hard to hold down even that one job, this could be catastrophic, and be perceived as life threatening. In the case of really really bad situations (like being kidnapped), just not being (or not feeling as) the only victim can make a big difference already. People also made very different experiences during the war. Some lived in remote areas and didn’t ever hear air raid sirens or anything. Others lived in constant fear because their parents were taken away in the middle of the night (try ever sleeping well again).
- dudeinjapan 4y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ
cm2187 4y ago
And also it is impossible to separate the genetic part from the nurture part for humans. People who were traumatised might be genetically pre-disposed to be traumatised and will pass it on to their children. Alternatively, you can bet that the kids will be reminded all their childhood of their parents trauma, or at the very least may grow up in an abnormal environment because of their parents trauma. Plus trauma is probably not a linear scale. If you live a quiet life, it maybe that a short scary event might traumatise you, but that if you go through the horrors of war for years you may develop a tolerance. So I am skeptical of any study that claims that it works one way or another. Experiences on mice are more interesting I think.
TazeTSchnitzel 4y ago
I think trauma is a fundamental part of the human experience and everyone has it. But it's not a binary: surely many have a much lighter trauma load on their life than others.
- wintermutestwin 4y ago
  Yes, and, the "trauma load" is highly relative to the subject of that trauma. IOW, two people can go through the same traumatic experience and have different levels of resulting trauma.

I'd like to know if anyone's parents, or grandparents, or great-grandparents (think WWII) are actually free of trauma? How do they find a control here for trauma-free people?

manmal 4y ago

Trauma is not automatic even for people put in very bad situations, afaik. Perception and expectations are very important here. For example: A person is fired from their job. For someone who wanted to quit anyway, that could be a rather small annoyance, perhaps a blow to the ego. But for someone who struggled very hard to hold down even that one job, this could be catastrophic, and be perceived as life threatening. In the case of really really bad situations (like being kidnapped), just not being (or not feeling as) the only victim can make a big difference already. People also made very different experiences during the war. Some lived in remote areas and didn’t ever hear air raid sirens or anything. Others lived in constant fear because their parents were taken away in the middle of the night (try ever sleeping well again).

dudeinjapan 4y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ

cm2187 4y ago

And also it is impossible to separate the genetic part from the nurture part for humans. People who were traumatised might be genetically pre-disposed to be traumatised and will pass it on to their children. Alternatively, you can bet that the kids will be reminded all their childhood of their parents trauma, or at the very least may grow up in an abnormal environment because of their parents trauma. Plus trauma is probably not a linear scale. If you live a quiet life, it maybe that a short scary event might traumatise you, but that if you go through the horrors of war for years you may develop a tolerance. So I am skeptical of any study that claims that it works one way or another. Experiences on mice are more interesting I think.

TazeTSchnitzel 4y ago

I think trauma is a fundamental part of the human experience and everyone has it. But it's not a binary: surely many have a much lighter trauma load on their life than others.

wintermutestwin 4y ago
Yes, and, the "trauma load" is highly relative to the subject of that trauma. IOW, two people can go through the same traumatic experience and have different levels of resulting trauma.