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Try Mermaid. It's a pleasant experience. And it can be used as a stand alone diagram editor, or integrated with software programs. https://mermaid-js.github.

Try Mermaid. It's a pleasant experience. And it can be used as a stand alone diagram editor, or integrated with software programs. https://mermaid-js.github.io/mermaid/#/ https://mermaid-js.github.io/mermaid/#/

Kerrick 4y ago
The tool from TFA can export to Mermaid. I've used Mermaid to lay out some DAGs to visualize prerequisites & parallelizable tasks in large projects, and it certainly isn't as fast to use as Knotend seems it'd be.
- Hnrobert42 4y ago
  Whoa! No need for such hostility.
- aloisdg 4y ago
  What is TFA and DAG? TFA could be Two Factor Authentication, but it does not really fit and I prefer to use 2FA. Searching online yields Database Availability Group for DAG, but I prefer to ask.
  - zvr 4y ago
    TFA is "The Fine Article"; essentially this HN submission. DAG is "Directed Acyclic Graph"; a graph with directed edges and no cycles.
    - aloisdg 4y ago
      Thanks. I open an issue in the list of acronyms I maintained: https://github.com/d-edge/foss-acronyms/issues/55 https://github.com/d-edge/foss-acronyms/issues/55
solatic 4y ago
Mermaid is more of a WYSIWYM tool where Knotend is more WYSIWYG. WYSIWYM tools are quite valuable in the right contexts, but there's a reason why LaTeX never really threatened Microsoft Word.
- nicce 4y ago
  I just spent 5 hours yesterday to make a flowchart with tikz on LaTeX. Well the quality is excellent, but I made the same graph in 10mins on Mermaid... And all this because SVG export was bugged (not valid syntax) on Mermaid to get similar quality.
- memling 4y ago
  > ... there's a reason why LaTeX never really threatened Microsoft Word. Apropos of nothing, LyX[1] is a pretty good stand in depending on one's needs and tolerance. There are some challenges if you need something that has more complex styles (e.g., customizing the Memoir book styles). These are well within the range of programmers and not super hard if you're reasonably competent and/or willing to search / read. The payoff is that you're forced into using styles instead of kludges, and you don't have to worry about layout (much) anymore. [1] https://www.lyx.org https://www.lyx.org
goodpoint 4y ago
Many better options like graphviz can generate SVGs and also do not require javascript or even a browser to work.

Kerrick 4y ago

The tool from TFA can export to Mermaid. I've used Mermaid to lay out some DAGs to visualize prerequisites & parallelizable tasks in large projects, and it certainly isn't as fast to use as Knotend seems it'd be.

Hnrobert42 4y ago
Whoa! No need for such hostility.
aloisdg 4y ago
What is TFA and DAG? TFA could be Two Factor Authentication, but it does not really fit and I prefer to use 2FA. Searching online yields Database Availability Group for DAG, but I prefer to ask.
- zvr 4y ago
  TFA is "The Fine Article"; essentially this HN submission. DAG is "Directed Acyclic Graph"; a graph with directed edges and no cycles.
  - aloisdg 4y ago
    Thanks. I open an issue in the list of acronyms I maintained: https://github.com/d-edge/foss-acronyms/issues/55 https://github.com/d-edge/foss-acronyms/issues/55

solatic 4y ago

Mermaid is more of a WYSIWYM tool where Knotend is more WYSIWYG. WYSIWYM tools are quite valuable in the right contexts, but there's a reason why LaTeX never really threatened Microsoft Word.

nicce 4y ago
I just spent 5 hours yesterday to make a flowchart with tikz on LaTeX. Well the quality is excellent, but I made the same graph in 10mins on Mermaid... And all this because SVG export was bugged (not valid syntax) on Mermaid to get similar quality.
memling 4y ago
> ... there's a reason why LaTeX never really threatened Microsoft Word. Apropos of nothing, LyX[1] is a pretty good stand in depending on one's needs and tolerance. There are some challenges if you need something that has more complex styles (e.g., customizing the Memoir book styles). These are well within the range of programmers and not super hard if you're reasonably competent and/or willing to search / read. The payoff is that you're forced into using styles instead of kludges, and you don't have to worry about layout (much) anymore. [1] https://www.lyx.org https://www.lyx.org

goodpoint 4y ago

Many better options like graphviz can generate SVGs and also do not require javascript or even a browser to work.