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People don't value that, they value a good UX and the fact that all of their contacts have the app. Matrix has neither of these.

fartcannon 4y ago
People do value that, and they also value a great UX, which Matrix also has. Additionally, matrix, doesn't forcefully associate your plaintext account with your phone number! People with a clue value that.
- scrollaway 4y ago
  700,000,000 users disagree with your statements. You can’t make something true by just saying it’s true. Also your attitude is super toxic. You’re calling people who don’t value the same things you do, “clueless”. You don’t really get to bullshit people on HN — you can be super smart and skilled in your field, you’ll far too often come across people with vastly more experience than you. I invite you to think about that. Again, matrix is great, and I see it as the future of messaging. But it’s absolutely not the “present” of messaging; it’s years behind telegram, and the UX of most clients including the more popular ones is garbage.
  - fartcannon 4y ago
    Its not years behind. That's a lie. In fact Id say it's ahead because you don't need to use a phone number (huge liability), you can choose to use e2e if you want and theyre not storing your data in plaintext! Oh and all of matrix is totally open source! Wow. That's how you know you can trust it. If they decide to pull a WhatsApp and move to Facebook, you can just fork and get on with your life. I like that the telegram client is open, but the sever isn't. Which means I don't really trust them. Same problem as Signal.
    - jonathantf2 4y ago
      Just because it's open source doesn't mean I can trust it, I don't have the time to audit the code myself. Being open source is not a feature.
      - fartcannon 4y ago
        Yes it is, because you can. Just because you personally wont doesn't remove it as a feature.
      - t0bia_s 4y ago
        Mabye you wont, but someone else do it. It would be pointless to open code with unwanted tricks behind.
  - t0bia_s 4y ago
    A lot of users of Telegram are those who lost WhatsApp for few hours and was looking for alternative btw... I'm not sure about values honestly.
- kaba0 4y ago
  Which client has a good UX in your opinion?
  - fartcannon 4y ago
    I used to really like ICQ's floating usernames and email-like modal. A message came in and a little icon appear beside the username (which I used to float in the unused part of my menu bar) along with an audible notification "uh oh!" You double click it, a small chat window opened up with your conversation history and a place to type. You then typed and send your message and the window disappeared until they replied. It was great because you could see who the messages were from without having to use any screen real estate. Then things like MSN Messenger got popular. Protocols got locked down and screen real estate got consumed. For some reason everyone wanted to use Google Talk (which was horrible but at least spoke XMPP so folks on Pidgin could still chat with their friends). BB messenger taught a few tricks to Apple. Then facebook messenger happened, whatsapp, wechat, etc. In the background, there were programs like teamspeak and mumble that were trying to do voice chat for gaming reasons. In a way, these were the precursors to Discord who now, for some reason, dominates what people consider a good chat UI. I personally think it's a bloated mess. In my opinion, ICQ had the best chat UI. Because it stayed out of the way. It's too bad it turned out to be spyware! Hah

fartcannon 4y ago

People do value that, and they also value a great UX, which Matrix also has. Additionally, matrix, doesn't forcefully associate your plaintext account with your phone number! People with a clue value that.

scrollaway 4y ago
700,000,000 users disagree with your statements. You can’t make something true by just saying it’s true. Also your attitude is super toxic. You’re calling people who don’t value the same things you do, “clueless”. You don’t really get to bullshit people on HN — you can be super smart and skilled in your field, you’ll far too often come across people with vastly more experience than you. I invite you to think about that. Again, matrix is great, and I see it as the future of messaging. But it’s absolutely not the “present” of messaging; it’s years behind telegram, and the UX of most clients including the more popular ones is garbage.
- fartcannon 4y ago
  Its not years behind. That's a lie. In fact Id say it's ahead because you don't need to use a phone number (huge liability), you can choose to use e2e if you want and theyre not storing your data in plaintext! Oh and all of matrix is totally open source! Wow. That's how you know you can trust it. If they decide to pull a WhatsApp and move to Facebook, you can just fork and get on with your life. I like that the telegram client is open, but the sever isn't. Which means I don't really trust them. Same problem as Signal.
  - jonathantf2 4y ago
    Just because it's open source doesn't mean I can trust it, I don't have the time to audit the code myself. Being open source is not a feature.
    - fartcannon 4y ago
      Yes it is, because you can. Just because you personally wont doesn't remove it as a feature.
    - t0bia_s 4y ago
      Mabye you wont, but someone else do it. It would be pointless to open code with unwanted tricks behind.
- t0bia_s 4y ago
  A lot of users of Telegram are those who lost WhatsApp for few hours and was looking for alternative btw... I'm not sure about values honestly.
kaba0 4y ago
Which client has a good UX in your opinion?
- fartcannon 4y ago
  I used to really like ICQ's floating usernames and email-like modal. A message came in and a little icon appear beside the username (which I used to float in the unused part of my menu bar) along with an audible notification "uh oh!" You double click it, a small chat window opened up with your conversation history and a place to type. You then typed and send your message and the window disappeared until they replied. It was great because you could see who the messages were from without having to use any screen real estate. Then things like MSN Messenger got popular. Protocols got locked down and screen real estate got consumed. For some reason everyone wanted to use Google Talk (which was horrible but at least spoke XMPP so folks on Pidgin could still chat with their friends). BB messenger taught a few tricks to Apple. Then facebook messenger happened, whatsapp, wechat, etc. In the background, there were programs like teamspeak and mumble that were trying to do voice chat for gaming reasons. In a way, these were the precursors to Discord who now, for some reason, dominates what people consider a good chat UI. I personally think it's a bloated mess. In my opinion, ICQ had the best chat UI. Because it stayed out of the way. It's too bad it turned out to be spyware! Hah