Astounded by some of the negative comments there. (Probably partly Twitter pushing the rage bait to the top, but still). Does Telegram just have a stupid fanbas

Astounded by some of the negative comments there. (Probably partly Twitter pushing the rage bait to the top, but still). Does Telegram just have a stupid fanbase? - people claiming MTProto (Telegram's custom protocol which is basically a worse TLS) makes it in any way more secure than pretty much any other system - people saying moxie is just pushing MobileCoin. Maybe, I don't know, but what does that have to do with Signal? And even if Signal is a total scam, how does that make Telegram not terrible? - people saying Signal is backdoored by <3letteragency>. We don't know if that's even possible. If it is, then probably so are almost all other e2e encrypted chat apps. And it's about 100x more plausible that Telegram is backdoored - it certainly could be. The only slightly valid criticism I saw there is that you have to use your actual phone number with Signal. But that doesn't make Telegram any good. I'd take Telegram over SMS, but I'd almost take SMS+rot13 over Telegram.