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>What the actual fuck are they thinking just use a decent cam in the laptop It will actually almost double the weight of the overall laptop if they added the s

by nojito 4y ago

>What the actual fuck are they thinking just use a decent cam in the laptop It will actually almost double the weight of the overall laptop if they added the same camera as they do on iPhone.

feet 4y ago
- Jcowell 4y ago
  I think he means in order to fit a camera you need to increase the thickness of the laptops lid. Whether or not this leads to double the weight , idk but there is definitely a weight increase to fit the camera.
  - feet 4y ago
    If they did mean it that way it still doesn't make sense to me. Where is the extra mass coming from? Are they just thickening the whole lid and fill it with solid lead? Mass comes from matter, if there isn't matter than there isn't mass. Adding a tiny camera, even if they did have to increase thickness a tiny bit of the entire lid it still wouldn't even come close to doubling the mass of the whole thing on an aluminum body laptop
- nojito 4y ago
  It's simple math. To hold the camera housing of an iPhone camera the thickness has to go up which means the entire top lid needs to become thicker. This will easily double the weight of the laptop.
  - blacksmith_tb 4y ago
    Only if that means using twice as much metal - I would expect instead it'd mean adding a thin strip of metal around the circumference of the lid. That would add a few grams, I'm sure, but hardly doubling.
    - nojito 4y ago
      Nope. They need to ensure the same rigidity across the entire lid.
  - jkestner 4y ago
    That’s not what they did on the actual iPhone.
    - nojito 4y ago
      an iPhone is much much smaller than a macbook lid is it not?
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
  - Dma54rhs 4y ago
    The simple math tells me the volume of material is not double.m when you make the lid thicker. Not sure what you're about, it doesn't make sense.
    - feet 4y ago
      I don't think people in this thread have ever worked with or weighed pieces of aluminum, it would explain the bizarre perspective
    - nojito 4y ago
      Crack open a macbook air lid and see for yourself. The amount of material required to maintain its rigidity is more than what most people assume.
      - feet 4y ago
        Its ALUMINUM BRO
  - jsdwarf 4y ago
    Objection. Huawei has a webcam coming out of the keyboard: https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/25/17050098/huawei-matebook-x-pro-webcam-mwc-2018 https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/25/17050098/huawei-matebook-...
    - kalleboo 4y ago
      From your link > Now that I’ve used the webcam for myself, I can say that it’s woefully impractical. In order to actually have it looking at my face, I have to tilt the entire laptop up due to the fixed angle of the camera. It’s a cool idea, but probably shouldn’t have made its way to an actual retail product. People are likely to be super frustrated trying to use this webcam
- dang 4y ago
  Could you please review the site guidelines and stick to them when posting here? You've unfortunately been breaking them quite a bit, such as with snark, flamebait, and ideological battle. What we're hoping for on this site is curious conversation that remains thoughtful across differences. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit more to heart, we'd be grateful.
  - feet 4y ago
    Can we add a site guideline against absurd claims that have no basis in reality?
    - dang 4y ago
      Thats a good question. The answer is no, for two reasons: (1) there's no clear way to distinguish "absurd claims that have no basis in reality" from statements that are simply false, and (2) there's no clear way to distinguish false statements from true ones. We don't have a truth meter. In the absence of clear criteria, what would we do? Decide what is true ourselves? Not possible—we're ludicrously unqualified, and the community would never support it. Also, I shudder to think of the karma one would incur. There are other factors too. The mandate of HN is intellectual curiosity (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...). Curiosity needs the freedom to get things wrong sometimes. Finding the truth involves probing the edges. Another factor is community. It would not serve community to ban people, or kill posts, for being wrong. A true community allows people to be wrong—belonging is about relatedness, not correctness—and a robust community would withstand wrongness the way a robust immune system withstands pathogens. I'm not saying that HN is either a true community or a robust community, yet, but that is the aspiration.

by nojito 4y ago

>What the actual fuck are they thinking just use a decent cam in the laptop It will actually almost double the weight of the overall laptop if they added the same camera as they do on iPhone.

feet 4y ago

Jcowell 4y ago
I think he means in order to fit a camera you need to increase the thickness of the laptops lid. Whether or not this leads to double the weight , idk but there is definitely a weight increase to fit the camera.
- feet 4y ago
  If they did mean it that way it still doesn't make sense to me. Where is the extra mass coming from? Are they just thickening the whole lid and fill it with solid lead? Mass comes from matter, if there isn't matter than there isn't mass. Adding a tiny camera, even if they did have to increase thickness a tiny bit of the entire lid it still wouldn't even come close to doubling the mass of the whole thing on an aluminum body laptop
nojito 4y ago
It's simple math. To hold the camera housing of an iPhone camera the thickness has to go up which means the entire top lid needs to become thicker. This will easily double the weight of the laptop.
- blacksmith_tb 4y ago
  Only if that means using twice as much metal - I would expect instead it'd mean adding a thin strip of metal around the circumference of the lid. That would add a few grams, I'm sure, but hardly doubling.
  - nojito 4y ago
    Nope. They need to ensure the same rigidity across the entire lid.
- jkestner 4y ago
  That’s not what they did on the actual iPhone.
  - nojito 4y ago
    an iPhone is much much smaller than a macbook lid is it not?
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
- Dma54rhs 4y ago
  The simple math tells me the volume of material is not double.m when you make the lid thicker. Not sure what you're about, it doesn't make sense.
  - feet 4y ago
    I don't think people in this thread have ever worked with or weighed pieces of aluminum, it would explain the bizarre perspective
  - nojito 4y ago
    Crack open a macbook air lid and see for yourself. The amount of material required to maintain its rigidity is more than what most people assume.
    - feet 4y ago
      Its ALUMINUM BRO
- jsdwarf 4y ago
  Objection. Huawei has a webcam coming out of the keyboard: https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/25/17050098/huawei-matebook-x-pro-webcam-mwc-2018 https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/25/17050098/huawei-matebook-...
  - kalleboo 4y ago
    From your link > Now that I’ve used the webcam for myself, I can say that it’s woefully impractical. In order to actually have it looking at my face, I have to tilt the entire laptop up due to the fixed angle of the camera. It’s a cool idea, but probably shouldn’t have made its way to an actual retail product. People are likely to be super frustrated trying to use this webcam
dang 4y ago
Could you please review the site guidelines and stick to them when posting here? You've unfortunately been breaking them quite a bit, such as with snark, flamebait, and ideological battle. What we're hoping for on this site is curious conversation that remains thoughtful across differences. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- feet 4y ago
  Can we add a site guideline against absurd claims that have no basis in reality?
  - dang 4y ago
    Thats a good question. The answer is no, for two reasons: (1) there's no clear way to distinguish "absurd claims that have no basis in reality" from statements that are simply false, and (2) there's no clear way to distinguish false statements from true ones. We don't have a truth meter. In the absence of clear criteria, what would we do? Decide what is true ourselves? Not possible—we're ludicrously unqualified, and the community would never support it. Also, I shudder to think of the karma one would incur. There are other factors too. The mandate of HN is intellectual curiosity (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...). Curiosity needs the freedom to get things wrong sometimes. Finding the truth involves probing the edges. Another factor is community. It would not serve community to ban people, or kill posts, for being wrong. A true community allows people to be wrong—belonging is about relatedness, not correctness—and a robust community would withstand wrongness the way a robust immune system withstands pathogens. I'm not saying that HN is either a true community or a robust community, yet, but that is the aspiration.