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Yet bulk data collection (in effect "mass surveillance") happens, and poses a risk in and of itself to data subjects.
by eivarv 4y ago
Yet bulk data collection (in effect "mass surveillance") happens, and poses a risk in and of itself to data subjects.
- kube-system 4y agoYou can't use the internet without risk. All you can do is measure relative risks and decide which are acceptable. Means, motive, and opportunity matter. Someone who is missing the motive portion is less of a concern than someone who has all three.
- fritigern 4y agoNo one expects zero risk, it's about reducing risk. I choose to avoid American companies in favour of non-American competitors because the American government is hostile to privacy and is a warmonger.
- kube-system 4y ago90%+ of governments are more hostile to privacy than the US. It might make sense to prefer countries with GDPR, but the vast majority of "non-American countries" have even worse protections for your data. > and is a warmonger. This is flamebait unrelated to data privacy risk. If you don't want to use American companies because you have an political opposition to supporting US companies, that's also a valid opinion. You don't have to twist it into a data privacy argument.
- 6510 4y agoI think he is referring to the drone strikes based on meta data.
- kube-system 4y agoMaybe, but that doesn’t have any relation to the state of data privacy in a particular country. Most of the countries with almost no data protection at all (or laws that require your data to be compromised) don’t even have drones.
- fritigern 4y ago> This is flamebait unrelated to data privacy risk. It's not flamebait, it's a legitimate reason. A country who has been killing people in various wars/invasions is unlikely to behave ethically when it comes to privacy. If you behave unethically in one area, I have every reason to assume that you'll also behave unethically in another area.
- kube-system 4y agoThe number of governments that have not had to deal with ethics concerns is exactly zero. Rather than drawing a broad hand-wavy link between ethics concerns and respect for privacy, you'd be much more accurate in measuring privacy by directly considering their practical legal frameworks that protect privacy. > A country who has been killing people in various wars/invasions is unlikely to behave ethically when it comes to privacy. This doesn't hold up. There are many countries that will straight up man-in-the-middle internet traffic with no oversight that have been at peace longer than Germany.
- fritigern 4y ago> The number of governments that have not had to deal with ethics concerns is exactly zero. Some are worse than others. America is one of the worst. War, invasions, mass surveillance, mass incarcaration...
- kube-system 4y agoThis is simply not factual, it is an information availability bias. America is one of the most publicized nations, and sunlight is one of the best disinfectants. By any academically rigorous measure, the US ranks high in ethics, along with most other western style democratic systems.
- fritigern 4y agoTell that to the people that were killed by American military in Iraq, Afganistan, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and probably other places I am forgetting.