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Between the joke of an energy policy in Germany this year and Douglas Murray’s books I have no confidence in European governments either. I used to feel Europe’

Between the joke of an energy policy in Germany this year and Douglas Murray’s books I have no confidence in European governments either. I used to feel Europe’s system was more competent but the illusion has been shattered.

0des 4y ago
Wait what the heck are they doing to books?
zeven7 4y ago
To add to that now every other website has an annoying and useless cookie dialog I have to dismiss, as if that's forward progress in privacy protection.
- dspillett 4y ago
  That is the website owners implementing the rules in the worst way possible, either through incompetence or through deliberately trying to annoy (or fool) you into accepting everything. Be angry at the sites, not the legislation.
  - lolinder 4y ago
    Can I be angry at both? Legislation is only required to regulate bad behavior by some set of entities. As such, legislation should be written assuming that those entities will exploit any loopholes. Malicious compliance is exactly what the EU should have expected and planned for.
    - 6510 4y ago
      They are now forced to tell you what they are doing. That it makes you angry is a design goal.
      - dspillett 4y ago
        Well, not quite. They are forced to stop hiding what they were doing. They could make everything opt-in, and it could be simple single checkbox or button, they are not forced to do any of what they are currently doing. And if it makes people angry at the legislation, the lying back-stabbing “your privacy matters to us” arseholes in marketing are successfully making that goal backfire.
    - dspillett 4y ago
      > Malicious compliance is exactly what the EU should have expected and planned for. It usually isn't compliance, malicious or otherwise. It is malicious “we know we are breaking both the letter and the intent, but we know they don't have resources to properly enforce against everyone, so we are going to chance it for as long as we can”. The vast majority of these consent systems are not compliant with any of the relevant regulations (ePrivacy Directive, GDPR, CCPA, …). They will fix it when they get a slap on the wrist. If they get anything it will be a slap or a warning because while anyone in their right mind is pretty sure that the non-compliance is deliberate, that is nigh-on impossible to conclusively prove.

0des 4y ago

Wait what the heck are they doing to books?

zeven7 4y ago

To add to that now every other website has an annoying and useless cookie dialog I have to dismiss, as if that's forward progress in privacy protection.

dspillett 4y ago
That is the website owners implementing the rules in the worst way possible, either through incompetence or through deliberately trying to annoy (or fool) you into accepting everything. Be angry at the sites, not the legislation.
- lolinder 4y ago
  Can I be angry at both? Legislation is only required to regulate bad behavior by some set of entities. As such, legislation should be written assuming that those entities will exploit any loopholes. Malicious compliance is exactly what the EU should have expected and planned for.
  - 6510 4y ago
    They are now forced to tell you what they are doing. That it makes you angry is a design goal.
    - dspillett 4y ago
      Well, not quite. They are forced to stop hiding what they were doing. They could make everything opt-in, and it could be simple single checkbox or button, they are not forced to do any of what they are currently doing. And if it makes people angry at the legislation, the lying back-stabbing “your privacy matters to us” arseholes in marketing are successfully making that goal backfire.
  - dspillett 4y ago
    > Malicious compliance is exactly what the EU should have expected and planned for. It usually isn't compliance, malicious or otherwise. It is malicious “we know we are breaking both the letter and the intent, but we know they don't have resources to properly enforce against everyone, so we are going to chance it for as long as we can”. The vast majority of these consent systems are not compliant with any of the relevant regulations (ePrivacy Directive, GDPR, CCPA, …). They will fix it when they get a slap on the wrist. If they get anything it will be a slap or a warning because while anyone in their right mind is pretty sure that the non-compliance is deliberate, that is nigh-on impossible to conclusively prove.