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I’m sure quite a few MBP 2015 users are going to be a little sad the end is near. I loved that machine. I was able to skip the 2017 MBP and go to 2019, but hon

by prpl 4y ago

I’m sure quite a few MBP 2015 users are going to be a little sad the end is near. I loved that machine. I was able to skip the 2017 MBP and go to 2019, but honestly I miss the smaller trackpad.

brundolf 4y ago
Will non-Ventura devices still get vulnerabilities patched, or are they dead in the water?
- crest 4y ago
  Apple has established a pattern of haphazardly offering partial and late security updates for the two more releases (e.g. Big Sur, Monterey, Ventura).
  - philistine 4y ago
    Looking from the outside, it sure does look like every security patch is assessed on its difficulty to port to older OSes, its severity, and its reach. It can be maddening.
- samcat116 4y ago
  Security updates are N-2 I believe (so current OS and last two major versions).
MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
Still using the 2013 and 2015 MBPs here, had no reason to upgrade. Love them to death, still no hardware issues whatsoever except a new battery. I also prefer the smaller trackpad. Guess its time to gift them to my parents. Luckily, the M1/M2 is finally a worthy upgrade, after years of keyboard issues and unwanted features.
- soylentgraham 4y ago
  My 2013 mbp is being retired for a mac studio as I accidentally updated ios to a version that needs xcode13, which i cannot install. It had a good run! (My 2011 imac died last year)
gernb 4y ago
agreed the larger trackpad is a net minus. I get all kinds of spurious input because of it sensing my palms
- ksec 4y ago
  Butterfly Keyboard ( And arguably the new Magic Keyboard ) with little to no Key travel distance, along with Larger Trackpad which create false positive input were two key minus design features. Unfortunately every time I pointed this out most of HN were quick to answer this is an user issue and not a design flaw.
  - filoleg 4y ago
    I can see why most on HN (and actually outside of HN too) would say a larger trackpad is great, so I think you might indeed be in the minority opinion on this one. Even mainstream reviewers tended to list it as a positive. But butterfly keyboard had been pretty much universally decried as a terrible mistake almost everywhere, including HN.
    - ksec 4y ago
      >But butterfly keyboard had been pretty much universally decried as a terrible mistake almost everywhere, including HN. That was certainly not the case until the reliability problem got magnified in 2018. When the problem has been there since 2016. Before that Butterfly was somehow the holy grail for touch typist.
      - KerrAvon 4y ago
        I remember reactions being more mixed. I and others always wanted more key travel, but I also knew people who loved it.
      - oreilles 4y ago
        I don't believe it ever was the holy grail of touch typist. First, it was incredibly loud, and most people complained about it. The key travel distance was mostly cited as a con, not a pro. And only then the reliablity issues started to arise. But it didn't take 2018. This article (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15496745 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15496745) made it to the top of HN in Oct 2017, but people had already been complaining for months (See this article from February https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/some-2016-macbook-pro-owners-experiencing-keyboard-problems.2033781/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/some-2016-macbook-pro-o...).
samgranieri 4y ago
I have a 2015 MBP, and still think this machine has legs to last a bit longer. Maybe I'll put arch linux on it later on
- sprkwd 4y ago
  It’s what I’m gonna be doing!!
IndySun 4y ago
Along with other comments, we have at least 10 fully working mbp 2015s. Many with upgraded 2tb storage. All used for audio work. Running 10.13 - 10.16. Little to no issues and I still buy up any I find online. Absolutely fantastic machines.

by prpl 4y ago

I’m sure quite a few MBP 2015 users are going to be a little sad the end is near. I loved that machine. I was able to skip the 2017 MBP and go to 2019, but honestly I miss the smaller trackpad.

brundolf 4y ago

Will non-Ventura devices still get vulnerabilities patched, or are they dead in the water?

crest 4y ago
Apple has established a pattern of haphazardly offering partial and late security updates for the two more releases (e.g. Big Sur, Monterey, Ventura).
- philistine 4y ago
  Looking from the outside, it sure does look like every security patch is assessed on its difficulty to port to older OSes, its severity, and its reach. It can be maddening.
samcat116 4y ago
Security updates are N-2 I believe (so current OS and last two major versions).

MrBuddyCasino 4y ago

Still using the 2013 and 2015 MBPs here, had no reason to upgrade. Love them to death, still no hardware issues whatsoever except a new battery. I also prefer the smaller trackpad. Guess its time to gift them to my parents. Luckily, the M1/M2 is finally a worthy upgrade, after years of keyboard issues and unwanted features.

soylentgraham 4y ago
My 2013 mbp is being retired for a mac studio as I accidentally updated ios to a version that needs xcode13, which i cannot install. It had a good run! (My 2011 imac died last year)

gernb 4y ago

agreed the larger trackpad is a net minus. I get all kinds of spurious input because of it sensing my palms

ksec 4y ago
Butterfly Keyboard ( And arguably the new Magic Keyboard ) with little to no Key travel distance, along with Larger Trackpad which create false positive input were two key minus design features. Unfortunately every time I pointed this out most of HN were quick to answer this is an user issue and not a design flaw.
- filoleg 4y ago
  I can see why most on HN (and actually outside of HN too) would say a larger trackpad is great, so I think you might indeed be in the minority opinion on this one. Even mainstream reviewers tended to list it as a positive. But butterfly keyboard had been pretty much universally decried as a terrible mistake almost everywhere, including HN.
  - ksec 4y ago
    >But butterfly keyboard had been pretty much universally decried as a terrible mistake almost everywhere, including HN. That was certainly not the case until the reliability problem got magnified in 2018. When the problem has been there since 2016. Before that Butterfly was somehow the holy grail for touch typist.
    - KerrAvon 4y ago
      I remember reactions being more mixed. I and others always wanted more key travel, but I also knew people who loved it.
    - oreilles 4y ago
      I don't believe it ever was the holy grail of touch typist. First, it was incredibly loud, and most people complained about it. The key travel distance was mostly cited as a con, not a pro. And only then the reliablity issues started to arise. But it didn't take 2018. This article (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15496745 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15496745) made it to the top of HN in Oct 2017, but people had already been complaining for months (See this article from February https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/some-2016-macbook-pro-owners-experiencing-keyboard-problems.2033781/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/some-2016-macbook-pro-o...).

samgranieri 4y ago

I have a 2015 MBP, and still think this machine has legs to last a bit longer. Maybe I'll put arch linux on it later on

sprkwd 4y ago
It’s what I’m gonna be doing!!

IndySun 4y ago

Along with other comments, we have at least 10 fully working mbp 2015s. Many with upgraded 2tb storage. All used for audio work. Running 10.13 - 10.16. Little to no issues and I still buy up any I find online. Absolutely fantastic machines.