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Surely you realize that if a modern sophisticated government wants to see your data, they are going to be able to access it, even if it’s stored in the Netherla

Surely you realize that if a modern sophisticated government wants to see your data, they are going to be able to access it, even if it’s stored in the Netherlands? What threat are you protecting yourself against?

dorgo 4y ago
> What threat are you protecting yourself against? Against modern sophisticated governments who are busy, lazy, distracted to ask Netherlands to give them my data. I'm not exactly a high priority target. All I have to do is to make it a little harder for them to access my data.
the_common_man 4y ago
So, with this logic you would host your data in Russia (just to give a random country) ?
- pdimitar 4y ago
  Why not? Make encrypted backups with `borg` and use `rclone` to distribute them to a number of free cloud storage services -- this is what I and many others do. One of my destinations is Yandex Disk. They all only see an encrypted Borg repo. And in the next few weeks or months I'll make sure they won't even be seeing that. Just a few opaque files several tens of megabytes big each. I wish them luck cracking it, lol. What are they going to do, fly to my fringe country, knock on my door and politely ask me to stop storing encrypted blobs on their servers? No, they will not. First, their TOC does not forbid it and second, they are way too lazy to scope me out of the crowd, and third, they will only start shutting users down if their free plan starts costing them too much. I've been doing this for years and nobody seems to give a frak (Google included). And I am just a regular guy who wants to make sure his code and passion projects (and personal / family photos) are never going to get lost even in a case of disaster. I never in my life did anything to warrant government attention.
  - the_common_man 4y ago
    We are talking about saas, will you put your photos there? Or use yandex email?
    - pdimitar 4y ago
      Contrary to the weird Cold War sensibilities that rule a lot of HN's collective mindset for some reason, to me using Yandex Mail is no worse than using GMail. Let's be honest: all those big players sing all our data to whoever they like, any moment they like. Pretending one is better than another is dishonest.
      - the_common_man 4y ago
        Ah I see you are using Gmail from your profile. I guess I got my answer
josefx 4y ago
If the government wants to go after you in specific? You might be screwed. If the government wants to identify "criminals/degenerates" by checking against sexualPreference="gay", semitic="yes", numAbortions > 0. Then you at least wont turn up because that would require a lot more effort.
fritigern 4y ago
No reason to make it easy for them. Also, proper client side encryption is really difficult to break. Usually they need to compromise the client in order to read it.

dorgo 4y ago

> What threat are you protecting yourself against? Against modern sophisticated governments who are busy, lazy, distracted to ask Netherlands to give them my data. I'm not exactly a high priority target. All I have to do is to make it a little harder for them to access my data.

the_common_man 4y ago

So, with this logic you would host your data in Russia (just to give a random country) ?

pdimitar 4y ago
Why not? Make encrypted backups with `borg` and use `rclone` to distribute them to a number of free cloud storage services -- this is what I and many others do. One of my destinations is Yandex Disk. They all only see an encrypted Borg repo. And in the next few weeks or months I'll make sure they won't even be seeing that. Just a few opaque files several tens of megabytes big each. I wish them luck cracking it, lol. What are they going to do, fly to my fringe country, knock on my door and politely ask me to stop storing encrypted blobs on their servers? No, they will not. First, their TOC does not forbid it and second, they are way too lazy to scope me out of the crowd, and third, they will only start shutting users down if their free plan starts costing them too much. I've been doing this for years and nobody seems to give a frak (Google included). And I am just a regular guy who wants to make sure his code and passion projects (and personal / family photos) are never going to get lost even in a case of disaster. I never in my life did anything to warrant government attention.
- the_common_man 4y ago
  We are talking about saas, will you put your photos there? Or use yandex email?
  - pdimitar 4y ago
    Contrary to the weird Cold War sensibilities that rule a lot of HN's collective mindset for some reason, to me using Yandex Mail is no worse than using GMail. Let's be honest: all those big players sing all our data to whoever they like, any moment they like. Pretending one is better than another is dishonest.
    - the_common_man 4y ago
      Ah I see you are using Gmail from your profile. I guess I got my answer

josefx 4y ago

If the government wants to go after you in specific? You might be screwed. If the government wants to identify "criminals/degenerates" by checking against sexualPreference="gay", semitic="yes", numAbortions > 0. Then you at least wont turn up because that would require a lot more effort.

fritigern 4y ago

No reason to make it easy for them. Also, proper client side encryption is really difficult to break. Usually they need to compromise the client in order to read it.