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This is an arrogant and toxic saying. Let's not repeat it let alone add to it please.

by tensor 4y ago

zaphar 4y ago
Someone made a statement of opinion without supporting evidence. You followed that up with another statement of opinion without supporting evidence. As a result no consensus was reached and this entire exchange went no where. Why do you think it was an arrogant and toxic statement? Do you disagree that financial journalism is better? Do you think finance journalism itself is toxic? Do you have evidence that a belief such as "finance jounalism is generally more excellent than others" is toxic in some way?
- the_only_law 4y ago
  They're referring the first sentence, with the cliche phrase. I personally don't make it seriously, because half the "doers" I've met can hardly do shit.
rayiner 4y ago
But is it true or not? That’s what matters right?
- tptacek 4y ago
  It's obviously not true. Teaching is a distinct skill (it's probably a large basket of distinct skills). People having varying aptitudes for it. Common sense tells you that the cliche can't possibly be true. George Bernard Shaw put those words deliberately into the mouth of a character you in particular would find absolutely insufferable.
  - pen2l 4y ago
    To go even further, I find a saying attributed to Aristotle to be quite true: "Those who know, do. Those that understand, teach." I find that true experts are able to explain subject matter in their domain simply, they can ably distill complicated issues to their essence lest their pupil be bogged down in unnecessary side-details. I used to think Raymond Hettinger was just an awesome teacher because he could make certain programming tasks seem like things a 3rd grader could do with ease, then I discovered he's a big force behind the creation of py and he just sees and presents things at a very fundamental level.
    - tptacek 4y ago
      Seems pretty unlikely that Aristotle said anything like that; all these epigrams are kind of silly, in that they're all stemming from something a fictional character said (or wrote) in a play. But I agree, it's cringe-y to see people try to dunk on teachers like this. There are good teachers and bad teachers like there are good and bad everythings; if you've had a good teacher for something before, it's hard for me to imagine that you'd take Shaw's character seriously with the "those who can" stuff.
      - pvg 4y ago
        Seems pretty unlikely that Aristotle said anything like that You'd be surprised at the kind of thing that's been recovered from excavated tweet shards: https://twitter.com/leyawn/status/585859882869469184 https://twitter.com/leyawn/status/585859882869469184
  - dctoedt 4y ago
    > George Bernard Shaw put those words deliberately into the mouth of a character you in particular would find absolutely insufferable. Akin to Shakespeare having the evil Dick the Butcher saying, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let%27s_kill_all_the_lawyers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let%27s_kill_all_the_lawyers
- loeg 4y ago
  No, it's not true.
11amxn11 4y ago

This is an arrogant and toxic saying. Let's not repeat it let alone add to it please.

by tensor 4y ago

This is an arrogant and toxic saying. Let's not repeat it let alone add to it please.

Someone made a statement of opinion without supporting evidence. You followed that up with another statement of opinion without supporting evidence. As a result no consensus was reached and this entire exchange went no where. Why do you think it was an arrogant and toxic statement? Do you disagree that financial journalism is better? Do you think finance journalism itself is toxic? Do you have evidence that a belief such as "finance jounalism is generally more excellent than others" is toxic in some way?

the_only_law 4y ago
They're referring the first sentence, with the cliche phrase. I personally don't make it seriously, because half the "doers" I've met can hardly do shit.

rayiner 4y ago

But is it true or not? That’s what matters right?

tptacek 4y ago
It's obviously not true. Teaching is a distinct skill (it's probably a large basket of distinct skills). People having varying aptitudes for it. Common sense tells you that the cliche can't possibly be true. George Bernard Shaw put those words deliberately into the mouth of a character you in particular would find absolutely insufferable.
- pen2l 4y ago
  To go even further, I find a saying attributed to Aristotle to be quite true: "Those who know, do. Those that understand, teach." I find that true experts are able to explain subject matter in their domain simply, they can ably distill complicated issues to their essence lest their pupil be bogged down in unnecessary side-details. I used to think Raymond Hettinger was just an awesome teacher because he could make certain programming tasks seem like things a 3rd grader could do with ease, then I discovered he's a big force behind the creation of py and he just sees and presents things at a very fundamental level.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    Seems pretty unlikely that Aristotle said anything like that; all these epigrams are kind of silly, in that they're all stemming from something a fictional character said (or wrote) in a play. But I agree, it's cringe-y to see people try to dunk on teachers like this. There are good teachers and bad teachers like there are good and bad everythings; if you've had a good teacher for something before, it's hard for me to imagine that you'd take Shaw's character seriously with the "those who can" stuff.
    - pvg 4y ago
      Seems pretty unlikely that Aristotle said anything like that You'd be surprised at the kind of thing that's been recovered from excavated tweet shards: https://twitter.com/leyawn/status/585859882869469184 https://twitter.com/leyawn/status/585859882869469184
- dctoedt 4y ago
  > George Bernard Shaw put those words deliberately into the mouth of a character you in particular would find absolutely insufferable. Akin to Shakespeare having the evil Dick the Butcher saying, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let%27s_kill_all_the_lawyers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let%27s_kill_all_the_lawyers
loeg 4y ago
No, it's not true.

11amxn11 4y ago