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Apple’s M1 instantly made Windows laptops obsolete. Why go back to much worse battery life and loud fans? I checked Intels roadmap and it looks promising. They

Apple’s M1 instantly made Windows laptops obsolete. Why go back to much worse battery life and loud fans? I checked Intels roadmap and it looks promising. They seem to aim for parity with TSMC before 2025. It’s going to be interesting if they win some of Apple’s business and make ARM chips for them.

rbinv 4y ago
What roadmap are you referring to specifically? Historically speaking, Intel's roadmaps have always looked quite promising. However, they're also known for not really delivering on them. I seriously doubt they can catch up to TSMC by 2025 (if ever).
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Macha 4y ago
Because it's not like windows laptops stood still in the face of the m1, and we're already seeing them get ahead in many use cases for lower power chips than the m1 pro when you look at the comparisons with the 1260P/6800U: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK5T4SvTgeQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK5T4SvTgeQ
tambourine_man 4y ago
Intel's only hope in the short to medium term is to manufacture at TSMC, like everyone else.
- BirAdam 4y ago
  Nah. Just having tons of manufacturing capacity on 14nm and 10nm and being able to sell cheap can guarantee Intel a place at the table for a while. They don’t compete for manufacturing at TSMC and this is their current advantage. Apple M1 and Intel have continued to do well, because it was silicon you could actually get for the last two years.
  - tambourine_man 4y ago
    Short to mid term: they can't compete on performance per watt, but they can still sell fast power hungry chips. Mid to long term: they can't compete on absolute performance or price when their transistors are a lot larger than TSMC's. Imagine AMD at 2nm by 2025 and Intel still stuck at 10nm++ whatever. The high end semiconductor industry is a winer takes it all game.
goosedragons 4y ago
Actually good software and choice? I don't care about having to plug in twice a day because I'm not working in remote mountain tops and I don't care about occasional fan noise. I'd rather be able to run the OS I want with the software I want than the crap Apple wants me to run with them calling all the shots. Apple silicon could be literally twice as fast and I wouldn't care. I'm not that impatient and freedom is IMO more important than speed.
DeathArrow 4y ago
M1 laptops would be acceptable alternatives if we could actually install everything software we want like on Windows.
- achandlerwhite 4y ago
  Not sure what you mean? You aren’t limited to the App Store in macOS…

rbinv 4y ago

What roadmap are you referring to specifically? Historically speaking, Intel's roadmaps have always looked quite promising. However, they're also known for not really delivering on them. I seriously doubt they can catch up to TSMC by 2025 (if ever).

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Macha 4y ago

Because it's not like windows laptops stood still in the face of the m1, and we're already seeing them get ahead in many use cases for lower power chips than the m1 pro when you look at the comparisons with the 1260P/6800U: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK5T4SvTgeQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK5T4SvTgeQ

tambourine_man 4y ago

Intel's only hope in the short to medium term is to manufacture at TSMC, like everyone else.

BirAdam 4y ago
Nah. Just having tons of manufacturing capacity on 14nm and 10nm and being able to sell cheap can guarantee Intel a place at the table for a while. They don’t compete for manufacturing at TSMC and this is their current advantage. Apple M1 and Intel have continued to do well, because it was silicon you could actually get for the last two years.
- tambourine_man 4y ago
  Short to mid term: they can't compete on performance per watt, but they can still sell fast power hungry chips. Mid to long term: they can't compete on absolute performance or price when their transistors are a lot larger than TSMC's. Imagine AMD at 2nm by 2025 and Intel still stuck at 10nm++ whatever. The high end semiconductor industry is a winer takes it all game.

goosedragons 4y ago

Actually good software and choice? I don't care about having to plug in twice a day because I'm not working in remote mountain tops and I don't care about occasional fan noise. I'd rather be able to run the OS I want with the software I want than the crap Apple wants me to run with them calling all the shots. Apple silicon could be literally twice as fast and I wouldn't care. I'm not that impatient and freedom is IMO more important than speed.

DeathArrow 4y ago

M1 laptops would be acceptable alternatives if we could actually install everything software we want like on Windows.

achandlerwhite 4y ago
Not sure what you mean? You aren’t limited to the App Store in macOS…