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> If the best ideas don't make the cut, which ones do? The best idea might be too expensive for the market so you go with the next best one?

by sumedh 4y ago

the_af 4y ago
If it was too expensive, then it wasn't the best. Whichever way you put it, it's either a flawed process or a weird turn of phrase by Ive.
- sumedh 4y ago
  No its not a flawed process nor a weird phrase. Have you ever heard of "Good/Cheap/Fast — pick two"?
  - the_af 4y ago
    Yes I have, where is "best" in that triplet? An unqualified "best" means it's the best. It was an unfortunate turn of phrase by Ive, a person known to make mistakes, as pointed out several times here on HN.
    - sumedh 4y ago
      > An unqualified "best" means it's the best. No not really, real life does not work that, you can be best in some aspect while not the best in other aspects but for some reason you dont seem to understand nuance, its probably your hatred for Ive that seems to be clouding your judgement.
      - the_af 4y ago
        "Best in some aspects" is not an unqualified best. Maybe Ive should have been more careful about his wording -- which was my point, after all! > its probably your hatred for Ive that seems to be clouding your judgement Wow. Hatred. I don't even know the guy, how can I hate him? I don't own a Mac, I just use one provided by my work. I don't own an iphone. I really don't pay much attention to Ive at all, just pointing out a flaw in his wording. Hatred. Really. Is that how you normally debate?
        sumedh 4y ago
        > Is that how you normally debate Is that how you normally debate by making personal attacks? You have already made up your mind the Ive makes many mistakes. > Maybe Ive should have been more careful about his wording -- which was my point, after all! and my point was that there are nuances which for some reason you still dont understand because you have already made up your mind about Ive, so lets agree to disagree because you are not going to change your opinion.
        the_af 4y ago
        I'm sorry, where did I personally attack you? I struggle to follow your line of reasoning. > You have already made up your mind the Ive makes many mistakes. I made my mind just like any person would: by looking at past behavior. This is not a sin, is how human judgment works. > you still dont understand Ok then. Good luck with your debate tactics.
        sumedh 4y ago
        You are making personal attacks saying Ive has made many mistakes, instead of just arguing about the main point you have already made up your mind that whatever he does is a mistake and then you refuse to understand why you are wrong. I dont need luck when facts are on my side. Good luck understanding nuance in the future.
        the_af 4y ago
        > You are making personal attacks saying Ive has made many mistakes That's not a personal attack. > you have already made up your mind that whatever he does is a mistake Uh, no. As I said, good luck with that.
        sumedh 4y ago
        If you were being interviewed for jury selection for case against Ive, you would not be selected because of your bias against Ive. As I said, Good luck understanding nuance in the future.

> If the best ideas don't make the cut, which ones do? The best idea might be too expensive for the market so you go with the next best one?

by sumedh 4y ago

> If the best ideas don't make the cut, which ones do? The best idea might be too expensive for the market so you go with the next best one?

the_af 4y ago

If it was too expensive, then it wasn't the best. Whichever way you put it, it's either a flawed process or a weird turn of phrase by Ive.

sumedh 4y ago
No its not a flawed process nor a weird phrase. Have you ever heard of "Good/Cheap/Fast — pick two"?
- the_af 4y ago
  Yes I have, where is "best" in that triplet? An unqualified "best" means it's the best. It was an unfortunate turn of phrase by Ive, a person known to make mistakes, as pointed out several times here on HN.
  - sumedh 4y ago
    > An unqualified "best" means it's the best. No not really, real life does not work that, you can be best in some aspect while not the best in other aspects but for some reason you dont seem to understand nuance, its probably your hatred for Ive that seems to be clouding your judgement.
    - the_af 4y ago
      "Best in some aspects" is not an unqualified best. Maybe Ive should have been more careful about his wording -- which was my point, after all! > its probably your hatred for Ive that seems to be clouding your judgement Wow. Hatred. I don't even know the guy, how can I hate him? I don't own a Mac, I just use one provided by my work. I don't own an iphone. I really don't pay much attention to Ive at all, just pointing out a flaw in his wording. Hatred. Really. Is that how you normally debate?
      - sumedh 4y ago
        > Is that how you normally debate Is that how you normally debate by making personal attacks? You have already made up your mind the Ive makes many mistakes. > Maybe Ive should have been more careful about his wording -- which was my point, after all! and my point was that there are nuances which for some reason you still dont understand because you have already made up your mind about Ive, so lets agree to disagree because you are not going to change your opinion.
        the_af 4y ago
        I'm sorry, where did I personally attack you? I struggle to follow your line of reasoning. > You have already made up your mind the Ive makes many mistakes. I made my mind just like any person would: by looking at past behavior. This is not a sin, is how human judgment works. > you still dont understand Ok then. Good luck with your debate tactics.
        sumedh 4y ago
        You are making personal attacks saying Ive has made many mistakes, instead of just arguing about the main point you have already made up your mind that whatever he does is a mistake and then you refuse to understand why you are wrong. I dont need luck when facts are on my side. Good luck understanding nuance in the future.
        the_af 4y ago
        > You are making personal attacks saying Ive has made many mistakes That's not a personal attack. > you have already made up your mind that whatever he does is a mistake Uh, no. As I said, good luck with that.
        sumedh 4y ago
        If you were being interviewed for jury selection for case against Ive, you would not be selected because of your bias against Ive. As I said, Good luck understanding nuance in the future.