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The main reason they are dark is because they are made with oil. Asphalt tiles are fairly cheap, and that's a good thing. It's the labor that makes up most o

The main reason they are dark is because they are made with oil. Asphalt tiles are fairly cheap, and that's a good thing. It's the labor that makes up most of the cost of a roof. I'm trying to get up the nerve to shingle my four bedroom home, and it's not the cost of materials I'm worried about. It's my body. My fear with global warming measures is the poor, and middle class, will be required to bear the brunt of the preventative measures. I guess the race is on to develop a 50 year life expectancy, but reasonably priced, white shingle? They might be out there? I really haven't researched them. If anyone knows a cheap roofing contractor in the Bay Area, please divulge? Twenty years ago I had a estimate of $25,000. I think that's too much now. I'm a ex General Contractor.

Wowfunhappy 4y ago
> My fear with global warming measures is the poor, and middle class, will be required to bear the brunt of the preventative measures. They'll also bear the brunt of the effects of global warming, and those will be worse. We should try to make environmental programs as equitable as possible. But first and foremost we need to do them!
- Hellbanevil 4y ago
  Yea, but trying to squeeze more out of the lower middle class, and poor, dosen't seem kind at this point in history. I see a lot of virtue signaling out there. Most of us can't afford a electric vechicle, and those federal credits seemed to just go to people whom could afford any vechicle. I can't even afford the smog check, and registration, on my 4 banger toyota. A Truck I've keep going 20 years. It uses very little gas. (My vechicle has always been tuned up properly. I thought by now we would have had free smog checks for the poor? In CA we have a low income deal that was enacted when CA decided to require smog checks. It's so complicated most people don't use the "gift". You need to bring your car to a mechanic in order to get any money back. Shade Tree mechanics are out of luck. My point is the corporations/government will pass any Global Warning measures down to us. We are already tapped out. If we are really serious about Global Warming lets go after the wealthy boys first. Take away their private jets. And enough with their Globalization. If they can make a product that dosen't need to be shipped long distances, have them make it here. I'm a Democrat, and winced when Biden pretty much gave a FY to the oil companies in order to sound Progressive. I knew at the time, the poor can't afford to pay more for gas, and natural gas. Now--I don't blame the president for this spike in gas prices, but I would have rather have him say this is a big problem, and we can't just do away with oil. Be it my PG&E bill that just seems to go up, and the $6.69 gas at my Chevron station, the poor are already paying to much of their income on a complex problem. (My gas station raised their prices the minute they started talking about inflation, and the Russia sanctions. It is pure greed. They made a record profits in the past few years. Sorry about my rant. I just don't like being squeezed so much, while my wealthy neighbors buy crap from Amazon, and think they are doing their part by driving a Tesla.
  - UncleEntity 4y ago
    When I left California I was driving a ‘67 ford galaxy which, being over 25 years old at the time, wasn’t required to be smogged anymore and was fully surprised when they made me do it when I registered it in Arizona (where it is anything post-66 has to have smog). Even my motorcycle had to be smogged (which, I believe, California doesn’t require) and that thing couldn’t help but get really good gas mileage. So, fear not, a couple more years and you will be smog exempt.
    - hadlock 4y ago
      My daily driver is a 1955 and I'm exempt from safety inspections at this point. I also have a one-time(!) $175 registration fee in my state. If you can keep up with the basic maintenance (grease certain joints every couple thousand miles, etc)the lack of regulatory oversight on these older vehicles can sometimes push them back into being more affordable than driving a 10-15 year old car. Just don't get in a wreck in them, crumple zones weren't really invented until the 90s.
    - Hellbanevil 4y ago
      No--in CA it's 1975, or earlier. It's a rediculious law because the old cars do not put that many miles on the road. I wish it was 30 years. While I'm on my soap box; Neusome (a guy I went to high school with (Redwood, and voted most Fashionable, a liberal Marin county boy) has a bill on his desk that would do away with fees associated with Parking Tickets. As of today, he has not signed off on it. The only reason I can think of is he's getting more middle of the road for a run at the big office? These extra fees and fines are not fair to the poor. A parking ticket in SF is running $80 bucks without fines. $5-6 an hour if you find the right spot. Neusome knows this personally. He barely graduated from Redwood High School, and dropped out of college due to some nebulous learning disability. He opened some coke dens in SF, and a few Bootjack liquor stores with family money. The SF bars went up in flames because they were poorly managed. Oh yea, his cousin Brendan has a DUI that disappeared? I might write a book on this guy one day. While I seem pissed, he's better than the alternatives. If he wasn't born wealthy, he would be in the Embarcadero in SF with a needle stuck in his arm.
  - 4y ago
hedora 4y ago
We recently paid thirty for asphalt, simple design, under US average size. I once knew a handyman that swore by painting over black membrane roofs with some sort of white rubber patch paint. It was probably a terrible idea, but I wonder if such a product exists for asphalt roofs.
jacquesm 4y ago
You can easily do it yourself, I did it first on a chicken coop to practice and once I got the hang of it I did a 145 square meter roof on top of a two story building in relatively short time. The clock was ticking because we were about to have frost and that makes working on the North side of such a roof next to impossible. If you have to remove the old stuff first use a flat shovel, that works the fastest compared to more fancy tooling. Make sure you invest in a proper safety harness, they're not that expensive and even if I really hope you won't need it you'll be very happy you did that in case you do...

Wowfunhappy 4y ago

> My fear with global warming measures is the poor, and middle class, will be required to bear the brunt of the preventative measures. They'll also bear the brunt of the effects of global warming, and those will be worse. We should try to make environmental programs as equitable as possible. But first and foremost we need to do them!

Hellbanevil 4y ago
Yea, but trying to squeeze more out of the lower middle class, and poor, dosen't seem kind at this point in history. I see a lot of virtue signaling out there. Most of us can't afford a electric vechicle, and those federal credits seemed to just go to people whom could afford any vechicle. I can't even afford the smog check, and registration, on my 4 banger toyota. A Truck I've keep going 20 years. It uses very little gas. (My vechicle has always been tuned up properly. I thought by now we would have had free smog checks for the poor? In CA we have a low income deal that was enacted when CA decided to require smog checks. It's so complicated most people don't use the "gift". You need to bring your car to a mechanic in order to get any money back. Shade Tree mechanics are out of luck. My point is the corporations/government will pass any Global Warning measures down to us. We are already tapped out. If we are really serious about Global Warming lets go after the wealthy boys first. Take away their private jets. And enough with their Globalization. If they can make a product that dosen't need to be shipped long distances, have them make it here. I'm a Democrat, and winced when Biden pretty much gave a FY to the oil companies in order to sound Progressive. I knew at the time, the poor can't afford to pay more for gas, and natural gas. Now--I don't blame the president for this spike in gas prices, but I would have rather have him say this is a big problem, and we can't just do away with oil. Be it my PG&E bill that just seems to go up, and the $6.69 gas at my Chevron station, the poor are already paying to much of their income on a complex problem. (My gas station raised their prices the minute they started talking about inflation, and the Russia sanctions. It is pure greed. They made a record profits in the past few years. Sorry about my rant. I just don't like being squeezed so much, while my wealthy neighbors buy crap from Amazon, and think they are doing their part by driving a Tesla.
- UncleEntity 4y ago
  When I left California I was driving a ‘67 ford galaxy which, being over 25 years old at the time, wasn’t required to be smogged anymore and was fully surprised when they made me do it when I registered it in Arizona (where it is anything post-66 has to have smog). Even my motorcycle had to be smogged (which, I believe, California doesn’t require) and that thing couldn’t help but get really good gas mileage. So, fear not, a couple more years and you will be smog exempt.
  - hadlock 4y ago
    My daily driver is a 1955 and I'm exempt from safety inspections at this point. I also have a one-time(!) $175 registration fee in my state. If you can keep up with the basic maintenance (grease certain joints every couple thousand miles, etc)the lack of regulatory oversight on these older vehicles can sometimes push them back into being more affordable than driving a 10-15 year old car. Just don't get in a wreck in them, crumple zones weren't really invented until the 90s.
  - Hellbanevil 4y ago
    No--in CA it's 1975, or earlier. It's a rediculious law because the old cars do not put that many miles on the road. I wish it was 30 years. While I'm on my soap box; Neusome (a guy I went to high school with (Redwood, and voted most Fashionable, a liberal Marin county boy) has a bill on his desk that would do away with fees associated with Parking Tickets. As of today, he has not signed off on it. The only reason I can think of is he's getting more middle of the road for a run at the big office? These extra fees and fines are not fair to the poor. A parking ticket in SF is running $80 bucks without fines. $5-6 an hour if you find the right spot. Neusome knows this personally. He barely graduated from Redwood High School, and dropped out of college due to some nebulous learning disability. He opened some coke dens in SF, and a few Bootjack liquor stores with family money. The SF bars went up in flames because they were poorly managed. Oh yea, his cousin Brendan has a DUI that disappeared? I might write a book on this guy one day. While I seem pissed, he's better than the alternatives. If he wasn't born wealthy, he would be in the Embarcadero in SF with a needle stuck in his arm.
- 4y ago

hedora 4y ago

We recently paid thirty for asphalt, simple design, under US average size. I once knew a handyman that swore by painting over black membrane roofs with some sort of white rubber patch paint. It was probably a terrible idea, but I wonder if such a product exists for asphalt roofs.

jacquesm 4y ago

You can easily do it yourself, I did it first on a chicken coop to practice and once I got the hang of it I did a 145 square meter roof on top of a two story building in relatively short time. The clock was ticking because we were about to have frost and that makes working on the North side of such a roof next to impossible. If you have to remove the old stuff first use a flat shovel, that works the fastest compared to more fancy tooling. Make sure you invest in a proper safety harness, they're not that expensive and even if I really hope you won't need it you'll be very happy you did that in case you do...