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Microsoft always had great developer tech. And having access to that tech more freely (as in on other platforms, partially open source etc) is a significant plu

by eknkc 4y ago

Microsoft always had great developer tech. And having access to that tech more freely (as in on other platforms, partially open source etc) is a significant plus for me. I loved .net back in 2003 or whatever. Then I never got to use it for years because I was on unix land. It is now open source and multi platform. They attacked open anything with all their might (and they were fucking mighty) and the enemy still flourished. Let them come again. If the new strategy is to pump high quality software out in the open, I hope it becomes a long and bloody war.

labrador 4y ago
I just built an app in Blazor, which is Microsoft's React alternative, except you code everything in C# instead of JavaScript. Once I understood it I found myself able to write and debug code very quickly.
blibble 4y ago
> Microsoft always had great developer tech. when, exactly? in the 90s-2000s they were always a poor imitation of Borland's and from the 2010s to today JetBrain's tools blow them out of the water
- _gabe_ 4y ago
  Typescript is ranked number 4 according to Github statistics in 2022[0]. VSCode is also very popular. I couldn't find any good statistics comparing different text editors, but atom is sunsetting this year, and VSCode continues to grow as some anecdotal evidence. Visual Studio is still a great IDE for C++ imo. CLion is the only other big IDE for C++ that I've had suggested often. C# is ranked #9 in github usage[0]. I would consider these "great developer tech", and their popularity seems to confirm that. Edit: DirectX is also a pretty big deal since afaik it's the only way you can make an Xbox game. I don't have enough experience to say whether DX is great developer tech or not though. I often hear how horrible Metal is more often than I hear negativity about DX, but that's just my experience. [0] https://madnight.github.io/githut/#/pull_requests/2022/1 https://madnight.github.io/githut/#/pull_requests/2022/1
  - blibble 4y ago
    see, I buy popular but great? absolutely not and as someone who's uses both: VS without Resharper is still a decade behind Jetbrains' IDEs
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Only for Java, for C++, .NET and GPGPU programming? Not really. And even Java it is debatable, since JetBrains would rather sell CLion licenses than support some of the stuff Netbeans and Eclipse have been doing for 15 years regarding mixing Java and C++ development on the same source base. When is InteliJ going to have an incremental Java compiler by the way?

by eknkc 4y ago

labrador 4y ago

I just built an app in Blazor, which is Microsoft's React alternative, except you code everything in C# instead of JavaScript. Once I understood it I found myself able to write and debug code very quickly.

blibble 4y ago

> Microsoft always had great developer tech. when, exactly? in the 90s-2000s they were always a poor imitation of Borland's and from the 2010s to today JetBrain's tools blow them out of the water

_gabe_ 4y ago
Typescript is ranked number 4 according to Github statistics in 2022[0]. VSCode is also very popular. I couldn't find any good statistics comparing different text editors, but atom is sunsetting this year, and VSCode continues to grow as some anecdotal evidence. Visual Studio is still a great IDE for C++ imo. CLion is the only other big IDE for C++ that I've had suggested often. C# is ranked #9 in github usage[0]. I would consider these "great developer tech", and their popularity seems to confirm that. Edit: DirectX is also a pretty big deal since afaik it's the only way you can make an Xbox game. I don't have enough experience to say whether DX is great developer tech or not though. I often hear how horrible Metal is more often than I hear negativity about DX, but that's just my experience. [0] https://madnight.github.io/githut/#/pull_requests/2022/1 https://madnight.github.io/githut/#/pull_requests/2022/1
- blibble 4y ago
  see, I buy popular but great? absolutely not and as someone who's uses both: VS without Resharper is still a decade behind Jetbrains' IDEs
pjmlp 4y ago
Only for Java, for C++, .NET and GPGPU programming? Not really. And even Java it is debatable, since JetBrains would rather sell CLion licenses than support some of the stuff Netbeans and Eclipse have been doing for 15 years regarding mixing Java and C++ development on the same source base. When is InteliJ going to have an incremental Java compiler by the way?