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I think everyone wants a "Rust but better" language to exist, and that very well might be V in 5 years, but Rust wasn't advertising features as 'completed' year

by judge2020 4y ago

I think everyone wants a "Rust but better" language to exist, and that very well might be V in 5 years, but Rust wasn't advertising features as 'completed' years before they were implemented/stable and neither should V. Continuing to point out the design issues will either get the marketing claims removed (just throw up a roadmap!) or articles like this will be used to show V's progress in a distant future.

agumonkey 4y ago
I wouldn't bet a single dollar on V improving to any qualitative level. It's been a surprisingly large transpiling hack. Graydon Hoare had some PLT knowledge before going on doing Rust, it's not just feature names and potential impl.
- delian66 4y ago
  What are the qualitative levels in your opinion? The V compiler is self hosting for example, there are useful examples done in the main repo, people are using it for writing web servers. What it should do, to "qualify", and to qualify in what?
  - agumonkey 4y ago
    Formal semantics
Eigen7 4y ago
avgcorrection 4y ago
Everyone wants that? Not even everyone wants something like Rust. But I doubt that everyone who programs in Rust (and like it somewhat) want Rust-but-better (when that entails learning a completely different language, at least).
- mountainriver 4y ago
  A lot of people want it which is why V is so popular despite not really working well
  - avgcorrection 4y ago
    A lot of people want to go to Heaven.
preseinger 4y ago
> wants a "Rust but better" language to exist, and that very well might be V in 5 years . . . How can anyone possibly believe this?? What is the motivation?? V is a `README` full of desires, and a source tree full of incompetence. There is no concrete or technical evidence that can support this optimism. Zig is a serious project. Go is a serious project. Rust is a serious project. V is, obviously, an un-serious project.
- delian66 4y ago
  I assure you, that V is a very serious project, and its README is not full of desires, whatever that means. As for the source tree full of incompetence - that may be so, if you can help, you are welcome to make PRs to improve it. As incompetently written as it is, it is capable of compiling itself, and quickly, unlike some others.
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agumonkey 4y ago

I wouldn't bet a single dollar on V improving to any qualitative level. It's been a surprisingly large transpiling hack. Graydon Hoare had some PLT knowledge before going on doing Rust, it's not just feature names and potential impl.

delian66 4y ago
What are the qualitative levels in your opinion? The V compiler is self hosting for example, there are useful examples done in the main repo, people are using it for writing web servers. What it should do, to "qualify", and to qualify in what?
- agumonkey 4y ago
  Formal semantics

Eigen7 4y ago

avgcorrection 4y ago

Everyone wants that? Not even everyone wants something like Rust. But I doubt that everyone who programs in Rust (and like it somewhat) want Rust-but-better (when that entails learning a completely different language, at least).

mountainriver 4y ago
A lot of people want it which is why V is so popular despite not really working well
- avgcorrection 4y ago
  A lot of people want to go to Heaven.

preseinger 4y ago

> wants a "Rust but better" language to exist, and that very well might be V in 5 years . . . How can anyone possibly believe this?? What is the motivation?? V is a `README` full of desires, and a source tree full of incompetence. There is no concrete or technical evidence that can support this optimism. Zig is a serious project. Go is a serious project. Rust is a serious project. V is, obviously, an un-serious project.

delian66 4y ago
I assure you, that V is a very serious project, and its README is not full of desires, whatever that means. As for the source tree full of incompetence - that may be so, if you can help, you are welcome to make PRs to improve it. As incompetently written as it is, it is capable of compiling itself, and quickly, unlike some others.
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