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Counterpoint for this rant (showing it's again not very objective, and just what your or your environment's expectations are): it's easier to cross-compile bina

Counterpoint for this rant (showing it's again not very objective, and just what your or your environment's expectations are): it's easier to cross-compile binaries for Linux (using Clang and a sysroot on Windows) than it is to natively compile on Linux (not using a sysroot, as that is the 'default' flow there) if your environment is mostly Windows already. We do this for one of our products, in fact. The post meanwhile seems to be part about open source policy (nasty, but not a technical issue - also including a new-to-me and hard to find on a Google or DDG search fact about the VS gallery endpoints having led to legal threats), part issues induced by 'weird' modern languages not caring to support Windows (as expected?), part Git for Windows not bothering to handle symbolic links cleanly (and the weird admin-only default thing that remained from Vista), and part... concerns where if people would spread the proper way of doing stuff (curl.exe bundled by default for downloads, or long file names being 'weird' - albeit less broken than claimed here) instead of just ranting this'd be fine too... but not really a coherent whole.

thrdbndndn 4y ago
My counterpoint is simpler: I use some of these tools (like VS Code) because they're better, not because they're open source. Also I don't think Pylance or whatever core extensions being closed source contradicts with the fact majority of VS Code (or vscodium) is open-source. And I don't see anything morally wrong that they want to close source some of their competitive products.
- SergeAx 4y ago
  It may be not intuitive, but tools tend to be better because they are open source. My personal problem with Pylance or ssh tools is that they are not working with VS Code based forks. That means that VS Code is not that open source as it trying to look like. And this is suspicious for me.
  - anonymoushn 4y ago
    The ssh tool is incredibly slow and resource intensive and defaults to losing unsaved work on disconnect. An open source version would open up the possibility of a user fixing some of these issues.
  - delta_p_delta_x 4y ago
    > tools tend to be better because they are open source This is not true in general. It isn't even true for programming tools. Paid/non-OSS IDEs (JetBrains suite, Visual Studio) are often better in many ways than their FOSS equivalents (Eclipse, Qt Creator, etc). Other examples: office programs (MS Office vs LibreOffice), digital AV workstations (Adobe suite, Da Vinci Resolve vs Kdenlive, ShotCut, etc), 3D editors (Blender is the one exception here, but Maya is still damn good)...
    - SergeAx 4y ago
      I didn't mean that all OSS tools are better than proprietary/commercial, this is not true obviously. I mean that making tool OSS usually makes it better.

thrdbndndn 4y ago

My counterpoint is simpler: I use some of these tools (like VS Code) because they're better, not because they're open source. Also I don't think Pylance or whatever core extensions being closed source contradicts with the fact majority of VS Code (or vscodium) is open-source. And I don't see anything morally wrong that they want to close source some of their competitive products.

SergeAx 4y ago
It may be not intuitive, but tools tend to be better because they are open source. My personal problem with Pylance or ssh tools is that they are not working with VS Code based forks. That means that VS Code is not that open source as it trying to look like. And this is suspicious for me.
- anonymoushn 4y ago
  The ssh tool is incredibly slow and resource intensive and defaults to losing unsaved work on disconnect. An open source version would open up the possibility of a user fixing some of these issues.
- delta_p_delta_x 4y ago
  > tools tend to be better because they are open source This is not true in general. It isn't even true for programming tools. Paid/non-OSS IDEs (JetBrains suite, Visual Studio) are often better in many ways than their FOSS equivalents (Eclipse, Qt Creator, etc). Other examples: office programs (MS Office vs LibreOffice), digital AV workstations (Adobe suite, Da Vinci Resolve vs Kdenlive, ShotCut, etc), 3D editors (Blender is the one exception here, but Maya is still damn good)...
  - SergeAx 4y ago
    I didn't mean that all OSS tools are better than proprietary/commercial, this is not true obviously. I mean that making tool OSS usually makes it better.