I think there's an interesting story to be told in how Winograd started with "pure AI" approaches to language understanding like SHRDLU, gave it up in frustrati

I think there's an interesting story to be told in how Winograd started with "pure AI" approaches to language understanding like SHRDLU, gave it up in frustration, and then helped to found the field of human-computer interaction. In some ways, HCI has much more modest and applied goals than AI. In other ways, HCI has had a much larger impact on many more computer users and developers in recent decades. Stanford's Symbolic Systems program effectively became the training ground for Google product managers and other consumer tech companies with strong UI/UX roles.