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I like that analogy. Because if you bring a well-stocked caravan, tools and spare parts, a radio, and a bit of know-how, you'll probably actually be fine. Livi

I like that analogy. Because if you bring a well-stocked caravan, tools and spare parts, a radio, and a bit of know-how, you'll probably actually be fine. Living "out there" for an extended period would be extremely difficult, but given what else sufficiently motivated humans have figured out, I think not the impossibility that many people imagine.

ozim 4y ago
I think not really and outback Australia in my mind is not bad - you have to struggle some but you still might survive. Snakes, dingoes will be mostly afraid of people if you put up a fire in the night wild creatures will leave you be. There is heat during the day that does not care and can burn you badly, but if you stay in shade and take enough water it might be still quite ok. But space in my mind is H. P. Lovecraft horror - it is empty but there are these unknown unknowns that don't care about what you are - they will just kill you without even noticing you were alive. Micro meteors, Van Allen radiation belts, random radiation like cosmic rays without atmosphere protection, exposure to the sun without atmosphere protection. It is not just some equipment, people can stay at ISS because there is loads of tech deployed to keep them safe.
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  Yeah, sounds easy enough, but people keep dying in the Outback when they get lost or their vehicle breaks down or gets stuck. Bit like Death Valley I suppose.
- bryanrasmussen 4y ago
  I like how all these descriptions of how the Australian outback is not that bad have all these might survives, and might be still quite ok in them.
  - ozim 4y ago
    It is not bad compared to space :) If I would compare outback Australia hike to walk in a park - yes outback Australia is hell hole where one has high chance to die. If walk in your local park would be 10^0 then Australia hike would be 10^3 worse, what I argue space is at least 10^10.
- highwaylights 4y ago
  You might survive. I would be a protein source for snakes on the first afternoon. What does your theory have to say about that!? Oh. Oh I see.
  - ozim 4y ago
    Ever tried to go to space? You know like you die in 1 second when you make a wrong move ;) I am not pointing out absolutes - just that comparison with going to space is totally out of order.
- rbanffy 4y ago
  > space in my mind is H. P. Lovecraft horror We didn't evolve to live in it. The scales, in space and time, are incomprehensibly large. It's not that it's out to kill us - we simply don't matter at cosmological scales. We are just the moss that gathers around rocks that stay undisturbed for long enough. It's not that we can't learn to live in it, far from planetary surfaces, protective atmospheres, and mildly hot suns. We can, but the universe doesn't owe us anything and will never cooperate.

ozim 4y ago

I think not really and outback Australia in my mind is not bad - you have to struggle some but you still might survive. Snakes, dingoes will be mostly afraid of people if you put up a fire in the night wild creatures will leave you be. There is heat during the day that does not care and can burn you badly, but if you stay in shade and take enough water it might be still quite ok. But space in my mind is H. P. Lovecraft horror - it is empty but there are these unknown unknowns that don't care about what you are - they will just kill you without even noticing you were alive. Micro meteors, Van Allen radiation belts, random radiation like cosmic rays without atmosphere protection, exposure to the sun without atmosphere protection. It is not just some equipment, people can stay at ISS because there is loads of tech deployed to keep them safe.

EdwardDiego 4y ago
Yeah, sounds easy enough, but people keep dying in the Outback when they get lost or their vehicle breaks down or gets stuck. Bit like Death Valley I suppose.
bryanrasmussen 4y ago
I like how all these descriptions of how the Australian outback is not that bad have all these might survives, and might be still quite ok in them.
- ozim 4y ago
  It is not bad compared to space :) If I would compare outback Australia hike to walk in a park - yes outback Australia is hell hole where one has high chance to die. If walk in your local park would be 10^0 then Australia hike would be 10^3 worse, what I argue space is at least 10^10.
highwaylights 4y ago
You might survive. I would be a protein source for snakes on the first afternoon. What does your theory have to say about that!? Oh. Oh I see.
- ozim 4y ago
  Ever tried to go to space? You know like you die in 1 second when you make a wrong move ;) I am not pointing out absolutes - just that comparison with going to space is totally out of order.
rbanffy 4y ago
> space in my mind is H. P. Lovecraft horror We didn't evolve to live in it. The scales, in space and time, are incomprehensibly large. It's not that it's out to kill us - we simply don't matter at cosmological scales. We are just the moss that gathers around rocks that stay undisturbed for long enough. It's not that we can't learn to live in it, far from planetary surfaces, protective atmospheres, and mildly hot suns. We can, but the universe doesn't owe us anything and will never cooperate.